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afwriter
afwriter
11/7/2017 12:37:14 PM
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5G coming fast
I find it hard to believe that we are going to see 5G commercially before 2020, but my skepticism is only to temper my excitement. I can't wait for the era of 5G and with transformation starting to catch on, who knows how fast we'll have 5G in our metaphorical hands. 

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Ariella
Ariella
11/9/2017 8:19:16 PM
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Re: 5G coming fast
@afwriter I read about various 5G demonstrations happening around the world, but I agree with you that it's unlikely to become really mainstream within the next couple of years.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/9/2017 11:23:13 PM
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Re: 5G coming fast
I know that here in the States AT&T is already doing 5G tests, but like you said, there is a difference between beginning testing and wide mainstream use. 

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batye
batye
11/12/2017 7:37:17 PM
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Re: 5G coming fast
@afwriter could not agree more as when technology enteres real life we will see it how well it will perform... 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/8/2017 2:11:40 PM
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Will 5G get Kubernetes?
I'm just wondering if anyone here thinks that telcos or CSPs will get on the Kubernetes bandwagon at some point? Will these "cloud immigrants" build on top of OpenStack deployments -- or leave that to others? 

 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/8/2017 9:34:46 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
mhhf1ve,

And whoever builds it, will it be a relatively "closed top to an open stack", i.e. services from the cloud but the company-facing control portions fairly tightly held (of course data will always be as controlled as possible in a competitive world) -- or will it be "open topped," i.e. the top layer of the open stack will be more open source software, so that the whole thing is open all the way to the data (which again will be tightly held, of course, at least for the next couple of generations).  The former might be culturally easier for cloud immigrants, the latter might be quicker, more agile, and more 3rd-party friendly.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/8/2017 9:50:03 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
I'm guessing the cloud immigrants will not tend to be 3rd party friendly as much as the cloud natives who have open standards and more nimble development in their DNA.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/8/2017 10:16:52 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
mhhf1ve,

Absolutely concur, the cloud natives will head for the "open top" very naturally; it's a culture thing.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/17/2017 1:07:58 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
JohnB, I wonder what it would take to "convert" the cloud immigrants to the "open top" mindset that cloud native have? How does the culture of an industry change with technology? Hmmm.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/17/2017 2:31:30 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
mhhf1ve,

Well, historically ... business cultures change fast if there's a major competitive disadvantage, or in the face of government regulation/taxation.  Not much else moves them quickly.  I don't really see the open top as being immediately and obviously better in most shops; they will get most of the advantages of open systems, most of the time, from the open-system part of the stack, and it will be fairly rare that the closed last steps will cost so much time and effort that people will question it.  So I suspect this will be a PBR (progress by retirement, not the popular beer) kind of change.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/17/2017 3:14:16 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
@JohnBarne Now progress by beer could do wonders to popularize it. If you anticipate it takes retirement, does that mean you think it would take a decade or so for it to happen?

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/19/2017 7:37:21 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
Ariella,

I'm not sure it will take a decade but I think it will be a few years for the cultural difference between open-cloud-native and open-cloud-immigrant companies to disappear. The people who study corporate culture claim they can still tell by feel that AT&T and Verizon started as phone companies and Comcast as a cable company, and that's decades of all of them operating.  Ford was famously engineer-dominated and GM designer-dominated for decades after Henry Ford and Alfred P. Sloan were gone. So actually I think the cultural divide will probably close faster than such things have historically: it's a faster more competitive world and personnel at the top in the telcos are younger and more innovation-oriented than in many other industries.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/20/2017 8:23:35 AM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
@johnbarnes he people who study corporate culture claim they can still tell by feel that AT&T and Verizon started as phone companies and Comcast as a cable company,>

Interesting, yet so many companies are making significant shifts in what they are about -- like IBM getting into cloud and Intel now getting into AI.

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 10:46:29 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
@Ariella.  I totall agree. AT&T and Verizon started as a small telephone company that is now a global corporation that has merged into several different industries. IBM was only known for mainframe software and hardware and are now moving into cloud technologies. Google started out as just a small search engine and it now the top search engine in addition to being a top technology company.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
11/26/2017 2:51:35 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
@freehe:

Whatever you quoted below explains a healthy transformation of all the companies. It is very motivating feeling thinking about where all these companies started back then Vs what they have become today. That is exactly what is needed to the world. It has to be gradual to result in quality products / companies. This is one challenge that we are seeing offlate as companies are rushing little too much without paying much attention to the outcome.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/17/2017 6:38:06 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
Heh. PBR is a classic beer, but it's not going to start any revolutions. I suspect you're right about change coming by retirement-- but maybe not CEO retirements necessarily. Sometimes just a change in a lower level director could spur some major cultural shifts. But it's not easy. Maybe it also has to be accompanied by significant layoffs....

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/19/2017 7:41:01 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
mhhf1ve,

Well, there's also just sheer technical churn; average time of an engineeer with a company is still pretty short in the telcos (though getting longer, last I checked).  There just aren't going to be as many tech people growling that this is the way the business works and this is what we do and it's going to be that way forever, at least not compared to other industries, because no one's expecting to be at that desk for thirty years and no one's hired with a job of resisting change anymore.  So again, I think the revolution will be PDQ compared with comparable cultural changes in other industries.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/20/2017 8:25:41 AM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
<Maybe it also has to be accompanied by significant layoffs....>

@mhhf1ve Some of these companies have had significant layoffs, like IBM, though they usually attribute that to "restructuring" forced by losees. 

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 10:43:53 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
@mhhf1ve. Good points. It requires have the right skillset of employees. If employees refuse change and refuse to acquire new skillset or embrace the culture change of companies they should be fired because they are hindering progres. Although change is scary it is inevitable.

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 10:34:51 PM
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Commercial Use of 5G
@afwriter, Wow, it is exciting that commercial use of 5G may occur sooner. I can't wait for 5G. I want it now. LOL! 5G will defintely provide benefits to residential and commercial customers. However, implementing 5G will require companies to change or develop a new infrastructure for the networks, bandwidth and data centers.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/24/2017 9:59:19 AM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
@freehe from what I'm discovering about it, I'd say 5G will be even more valuable to businesses than to individual consumers.

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freehe
freehe
11/24/2017 11:54:30 AM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
@Ariella, You are correct. I totally agree. 5G will be more advantageous to businesses because they will be able to solve problems faster, respond to customers faster and deliver services faster. I just hope they don't forget about residential customers who want 5G. :)

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dlr5288
dlr5288
11/30/2017 4:31:02 PM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
You’re right! I think it’s a great move and there’s no doubt that 5G will do wonders. I do hope, as you said, they remember their customers and continue to support their wants and needs.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
11/24/2017 3:24:33 PM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
Why should the average user be left out in the cold?    

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
11/26/2017 2:54:19 PM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
@mp:

Absolutely !

Agree that businesses may make most use of 5G for obvious reasons. But there sholdn't be any such limitations for residences not to get 5G. I am sure there are tons of residents that are looking forward. Any improved fast network is only going to add value for any / target population.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
11/26/2017 3:49:41 PM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
Let's trust that the providers understand that and have the necessary follow through to make it all possible for the sake of all.

 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
12/21/2017 2:40:04 PM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
@mp:

Absolutely, that is the hope we all should keep up. I am sure these forum exchnages catch attention of reps from providers and they are getting the message from consumer front.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
12/22/2017 5:26:59 PM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
We have a lot to be thankful for..and remain hopeful about....that what sustains me as we look to 2018...

Onward..as I wish you all a fabulous Holiday..."See" you all in Community Next year..and as I Hope you all enjoy this:
 
 
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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
12/23/2017 3:07:30 PM
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Re: Commercial Use of 5G
@mp:

Thanks and Happy Holidays to you too !

Also thanks for sharing Smart Contact Lenses atricle. It is an interesting read.

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 10:39:47 PM
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IoV
IT cannot create a new techology without an acronym. IoV will be great for cities, rural and underserved areas. It can reduce traffic jams, increase traffic flow, reduce traffic accidents especially those involving commercial vehicles where drivers are overworked, tired and have less awareness or traffic conditions when driving for long hours.

IoV is being implemented in Europe, Japan and India. Brazil has plans to use IoV.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/24/2017 6:10:14 PM
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Re: IoV
We could talk all day about the pros and cons of IoV. One of the things I am worried about is a different OS with each car brand with some of them not playing nice with each other.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/25/2017 6:05:10 PM
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Re: IoV
@afwrtier that is a serious concern. We do need to think about keeping systems compatible with each other. iIt comes up in other areas, as well. I have asked the pediatrician I use why the records don't transfer smoothly from their office to the specialist and vice versa. She said that each office system "doesn't trust" the other.

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