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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/17/2017 6:38:06 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
Heh. PBR is a classic beer, but it's not going to start any revolutions. I suspect you're right about change coming by retirement-- but maybe not CEO retirements necessarily. Sometimes just a change in a lower level director could spur some major cultural shifts. But it's not easy. Maybe it also has to be accompanied by significant layoffs....

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Ariella
Ariella
11/17/2017 3:14:16 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
@JohnBarne Now progress by beer could do wonders to popularize it. If you anticipate it takes retirement, does that mean you think it would take a decade or so for it to happen?

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JohnBarnes
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11/17/2017 2:31:30 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
mhhf1ve,

Well, historically ... business cultures change fast if there's a major competitive disadvantage, or in the face of government regulation/taxation.  Not much else moves them quickly.  I don't really see the open top as being immediately and obviously better in most shops; they will get most of the advantages of open systems, most of the time, from the open-system part of the stack, and it will be fairly rare that the closed last steps will cost so much time and effort that people will question it.  So I suspect this will be a PBR (progress by retirement, not the popular beer) kind of change.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/17/2017 1:07:58 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
JohnB, I wonder what it would take to "convert" the cloud immigrants to the "open top" mindset that cloud native have? How does the culture of an industry change with technology? Hmmm.

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batye
batye
11/12/2017 7:37:17 PM
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Re: 5G coming fast
@afwriter could not agree more as when technology enteres real life we will see it how well it will perform... 

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afwriter
afwriter
11/9/2017 11:23:13 PM
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Re: 5G coming fast
I know that here in the States AT&T is already doing 5G tests, but like you said, there is a difference between beginning testing and wide mainstream use. 

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Ariella
Ariella
11/9/2017 8:19:16 PM
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Re: 5G coming fast
@afwriter I read about various 5G demonstrations happening around the world, but I agree with you that it's unlikely to become really mainstream within the next couple of years.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/8/2017 10:16:52 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
mhhf1ve,

Absolutely concur, the cloud natives will head for the "open top" very naturally; it's a culture thing.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/8/2017 9:50:03 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
I'm guessing the cloud immigrants will not tend to be 3rd party friendly as much as the cloud natives who have open standards and more nimble development in their DNA.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/8/2017 9:34:46 PM
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Re: Will 5G get Kubernetes?
mhhf1ve,

And whoever builds it, will it be a relatively "closed top to an open stack", i.e. services from the cloud but the company-facing control portions fairly tightly held (of course data will always be as controlled as possible in a competitive world) -- or will it be "open topped," i.e. the top layer of the open stack will be more open source software, so that the whole thing is open all the way to the data (which again will be tightly held, of course, at least for the next couple of generations).  The former might be culturally easier for cloud immigrants, the latter might be quicker, more agile, and more 3rd-party friendly.

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