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JohnBarnes
12/28/2016 2:37:14 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
afwriter et al.,
The arguments that things are okay because the bad boring jobs are being replaced by good happy jobs is really silly as soon as you look at the numbers. Pittsburgh used to make crude industrial steel and employed half a million unionized well paid workers doing it; today it makes slightly more tons of specialty steels than it did crude steels then, but employs fewer than 2000, most of them degreed tech people. When the Free Traitors allowed Boeing to move 30,000 skilled labor jobs to Asia in the early 90s, Al Gore pointed to the new jobs Seattle gained at Microsoft -- which has never employed as many as 4000 people.
It's a shuck and a fraud. For the last couple of generations progress has mostly served to concentrate wealth by hollowing out the middle of the income distribution.
dcawrey
12/28/2016 4:26:04 PM
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I think the biggest coordination that needs to happen in IoT is around security issues. If not, I fear we are going to continue to hear about security breaches that leverage IoT platforms to conduct attacks. I don't want to be right about this but it's a big problem.
mpouraryan
12/28/2016 4:57:42 PM
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..and to "Piggyback" on what @JohnBarnes noted, here is an interesting insight for all to note:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/meet-the-80-people-who-are-as-rich-as-half-the-world/
Will we learn? Can we learn?
mpouraryan
12/28/2016 5:03:58 PM
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Your warning is right on--as it was proven with the DDOS attack last year. No doubt....
vnewman
12/28/2016 6:55:04 PM
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That may be the case, but I don't think you can blame that all on technology - there are various political- and government- induced reasons for that as well. I'm not trying to paint an overly-rosy picture, but rather just being optimistic that the jobs that require higher-level thinking aren't going anywhere.
Huawei
Everyone always blames technology, but I don't think technology is the one to blame in this case. There are so many different government reasons why. loT should have more advanced security, so we do not keep hearing about the different security breaches. In the future, it would actually be great if we could work hand and hand with all this technology.
Ariella
12/29/2016 11:30:41 AM
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@JohnBarnes your response reminds me of the way the 2005 version of Charlies and the Chocolate Factory set up the family's situation. Machines made the father lose his job, but then he got hired back to fix the machines. In reality, though, as you say, this is not the way things go. Even if one person could get that particular job, the machines are put in place to replace many more people who are unlikely to all find jobs at other places tending to machines because that requires different skills from the ones they have and only require very few people.
In the course of reseraching for some blogs on manufacturing, I spoke with Nigel Southway twice, and he also made the point that country's economy is based on industry:
You can't sustain a service economy without a manufacturing component because of the ratios of the economy. Each "manufacturing job creates the need for 3 service jobs," so a cut in the former translates into a triple loss in the latter with devastating effects on a nation's economy.
vnewman
12/29/2016 1:06:01 PM
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@Ariella - I like your analogy - Advancements in technology have been affecting the way we work for over 200 years. Think of how agriculture was mechanized. The industrial revolution brought significant changes to the textile industry - scared for their jobs, the Luddites were destroying Power Looms. Until Robots can think, and they can't - yet - they can only do math - they will be relegated to the lower rungs of the job hierarchy, where personally, I don't think anyone really wants to be.
Michelle
12/29/2016 1:43:06 PM
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@VN You're probably right about that. Robots taking over lower-level jobs might be welcome if former human workers have the opportunity to do more meaningful work instead. I wonder if any of the Luddites came to regret crashing machinery.
JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 2:20:48 PM
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Vnewman,
Well, let's just start with the final point you make. You seem to think that work should be a source of personal and emotional satisfaction the way it is for writers, designers, or software engineers. But for most of history for most people, work is a source of stuff, the stuff which people live their lives with. Okay, you'd rather create than spend several hours a day pulling a handle or lifting boxes. But for billions of people worldwide, that is how there gets to be food on the table, a roof over the house, and time to enjoy with family and friends. So it doesn't matter that they lose that job because you wouldn't want to do it?
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