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JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 2:36:09 PM
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Vnewman,
Machines may never think, per se, but for business purposes that genuinely doesn't matter because the math they can already do is getting very close to surpassing human thought in value added. The software that is beating chess (and more recently go) masters now learns mainly by playing against itself, and its strategic methods appear to be beyond human understanding. Optimization algorithms developed by machine learning do better at engineering design and investment decisions than highly intelligent human beings with decades of experience.
Those creative thinky jobs? Next on the block.
mpouraryan
12/29/2016 4:42:33 PM
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It has been an interesting discourse (and that's putting it mildly) as we look to 2017--I would humbly suggest that we're in the era of the "thinking Machines" already as underscored by this from Tesla reported by the Sydney Morning Herald:
BY HUDSON HONGO
Since Tesla released Version 8.0 of its Autopilot system this winter, CEO Elon Musk has touted its lifesaving potential. Today, dashcam footage from the Netherlands showed just how powerful the new safety feature can be.
We've arrived at this juncture--whether we like it or not.
We have some big-timea adaption we have to do as humans-don't we folks as we continue to figure out how to live thru this transformative age we live in?
Onward to #2017 folks...and let's do remain hopeful despite the odds!!!
Happy New Year to All.."See" you all next year :) :)
vnewman
12/29/2016 5:02:18 PM
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@JohnBarnes - True that it is close, but it is not there yet and two human qualities that will always be lacking: common sense and instinct.
vnewman
12/29/2016 5:14:52 PM
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@JohnBarnes - I'm not saying I hope to see jobs taken from the very people who need them to survive. What I am hoping is that in this process of "job replacement" we will see the rise of jobs we never even thought about - hopefully jobs that don't require someone to do a repetitive task over and over again. What I hope to see, is something better on the horizon.
vnewman
12/29/2016 6:00:39 PM
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@mpouraryan - I know what you're saying, but I do think there's a difference still between "thinking" and what we are seeing here with autonomous driving. You could just as easily argue the car was responding to stimuli using a programmed set of instructions, which is not "thinking" in the true sense of the word. But I hear you, it will be a wild ride.
dcawrey
12/29/2016 7:10:42 PM
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I agree. In these circumstances, the car is not thinking at all. It is simply going through a set of instructions that has been provided. AI is just a way to insert those instructions - at least for the time being, at least until these systems become self-aware.
JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 9:22:40 PM
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vnewman,
I have interviewed and worked with math people -- very different from coders -- who are working on exactly the mathematical processes of "common sense" and "instinct." The "but human brains are special" people have about one more generation during which they'll retreat by constantly redefining "common sense" and "instinct" to mean "whatever a machine isn't doing right now." Eventually even that retreat will close off.
We accept easily that a bunch of electrochemical processes running in what Vonnegut described as a "dog's breakfast" in our skulls can produce quite astonishing results; we accept less easily that these processes can be understood, though the process of understanding them reaches back into history; we accept with difficulty that eventually we will be able to identify and use those processes with machine help, though we wouldn't be able to do so without help; and we viscerally resist the idea that once those processes are fully understood, we can dismiss the dog and his breakfast, if we've a mind to.
Nonetheless. that is what is.
freehe
12/29/2016 9:33:57 PM
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@JohnBarnes, I am so glad you said that. I feel the exact same way.
Instead of destroying jobs some of the employees can be educated and retrained to perform new jobs but sadly this is just my hope.
freehe
12/29/2016 9:35:25 PM
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@JohnBarnes, I totally agree. You are on point John Barnes.
freehe
12/29/2016 9:37:19 PM
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@Ariella, thanks for sharing about Nigel. I agree with your point.
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