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clrmoney
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1/3/2018 10:52:17 AM
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Vehicle Ecosystem
Some vehicles are already a little advanced with advanced cameras in them ans well as GPS but with them having new things to offer just makes things more interesting to present to us for options and will be a plus for them in for businesses.

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Ariella
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1/3/2018 3:06:46 PM
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The technology for cars today is nothing short of amazing. Bloomberg reports that Nissan is to showcase a car that can pick up on brain waves at this year's CES.  tecI tried putting the link in for that multiple times now, and each time it messes up the spacing on my comment and fails to show the video. 

 

 

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DHagar
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1/3/2018 7:09:27 PM
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@Ariella, it IS an amazing new world we are encountering!  The ability to truly apply AI and other technologies to safer vehicle operations and "connected" navigation offers an exciting future.  Safer AND opens the doors to mobility for many who are unable to have independent means of travel.

Thanks for sharing!

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afwriter
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1/4/2018 12:39:50 PM
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Picking up on brainwaves sounds interesting. Do you think that is to see if the driver is tired or otherwise impaired?

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Ariella
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1/4/2018 1:20:15 PM
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@afwriter MIT came out with a summary article on it today: 

How it works: Bloomberg says the driver wears a headset covered in electrodes to capture an electroencephalograph, or EEG, of brain activity. From that data Nissan works out when a driver thinks about turning, accelerating, or braking and then has the car enact it 0.2 to 0.5 seconds sooner than a human.

But: Nissan tells the Verge that it's "aiming for practical application in 5 to 10 years." That means it's unlikely to appear on roads until autonomous cars do (see "2021 May Be the Year of the Fully Autonomous Car").

Why it still matters: When cars are autonomous, driving will remain a pleasure for many people; Nissan arguesthis could make those occasions safer. And when the car drives itself, brain signals could inform the car of passenger preferences, too.

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afwriter
afwriter
1/4/2018 4:36:43 PM
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That's pretty cool, when I read "headset" I was like Ohhh Nooo, but with their practical projection of 5 - 10 years I'm guessing that a headset will become something you could comfortably wear while driving by then. 

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Ariella
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1/4/2018 5:05:49 PM
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@afwriter I'd venture a prediction on the headset that not only will they become more comforable but more fashionable-looking. Companies should be working with designers on that, especially if they car to open the market to those who prefer not to look geeky.

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batye
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1/4/2018 10:58:10 PM
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@Ariella could not agree more it would be nice if they thinking ergonomics first with easy to use simple smoth lines while looking good/trendy on the user...  or for user... if the item useful and have nice attractive colors and design - everyone will use it... - the way I see it... 

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afwriter
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1/5/2018 12:17:21 AM
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There is also the safety aspect. I can't believe that bulky headset would be beneficial in a collision. 

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batye
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1/5/2018 1:07:55 AM
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@afwriter two years ago whele traveling via Middle East I did see some show offs wearing bluetooth earpiece made what look like gold or gold plated with diamonds or fake crystals k... I did not ask... as he also hold gold iphone or gold plated :) - go figure

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Ariella
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1/5/2018 11:20:35 AM
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@afwriter It really boils down to questions of engineering and planning for what the impact would be. Perhaps the bulky ones could have some kind of cushioning that makes them safer.

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DHagar
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1/4/2018 5:17:31 PM
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@afwriter,  I agree - I like the functions of headsets but not the "Gear".  Don't you think that there may evolve further devices that will replace headsets as we move forward; new technology applications with satellite, lasers, etc.?  At least I hope so - that would be the best of all worlds!

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batye
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1/4/2018 11:00:07 PM
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@afwriter I would say you never know... during last year I did see prototype hearing device with Bluetooth build in implantable and use wearer body heat to recharge inner battery... 

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JohnBarnes
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1/8/2018 2:20:29 PM
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I would bet that besides enhancing human driving, those headsets will also be used to gather data for training algorithms to eventually go into self-driving systems. The catch is that somehow you have to provide enough benefit to the driver so that they'll wear the helmet (especially that they will wear it in difficult or complicated driving situations, which is what you'll most need training data for).

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freehe
freehe
1/23/2018 8:58:34 PM
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@JohnBarnes, I don't see how the benefits outweight the risks. Drivers are already distracted with technology and mobile devices. How is wearing a helmet going to stop drivers from being distracted with an non-autonomous car? Even if drivers no longer have to drive why would a driver want to wear a helmet?

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JohnBarnes
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1/24/2018 3:02:03 PM
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freehe,

Headset, not helmet. And as was clearly said above, it's not an entertainment device but for driving enhancement. 

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dlr5288
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1/31/2018 7:42:31 PM
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I agree. I think it’s so easy to get distracted, especially these days, when driving. Between music, cell phones, gps’. I think, not only will drivers not want to drive with a helmet on, (like you said) but it’ll be another distraction.

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freehe
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1/23/2018 8:49:46 PM
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@afwriter. That is an invasion of privacy. Someone could be tired all the time but can still drive a car. Just because a driver is tired doesn't mean an alarm should be raised. Someone deemed as impaired could just be tired or distracted. That is a slippery slope. Drivers could get tickets for a perceived issue that did not occur and how can they fight it?

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afwriter
afwriter
1/23/2018 10:27:11 PM
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@freehe that would be assuming that this data would be passed on to law enforcement. I don't think they would go that far with it, but you bring up an intriguing point. 

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freehe
freehe
1/23/2018 8:47:28 PM
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@Ariella, That sounds interesting but why does a car manufacturer need to detect a consumer's brainwaves. This is a very slippery slope. In the wrong hands it can lead to mind control. Once a technology is developed you can't control if it is only used for good. I will not buy any car that picks up on brainwaves.

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Ariella
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1/24/2018 8:31:51 AM
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@freehe Right now I think it is just to show off, "Cool, look what we can do with tech!" But I think that this actually could be a great advance for people whose physical disabilities might prevent them from operating a car in the traditional way. As for mind control, well, we already are largely influenced by what Google and other dominant players choose to show us.

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afwriter
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1/4/2018 12:41:11 PM
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My car is as dumb as it gets, and I wish I would have had some of this technology - at least a rear back up camera - when I accidentally backed into my sister-in-law's car. Having a smarter car could have saved me some hassle. 

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freehe
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1/23/2018 8:51:45 PM
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If cars have these technology how does this impact driving lessons and driver's test where drivers have to park, make turns, etc. If cars will perform these tasks automatically how will drivers respond when a manual override is needed or the car malfuctions and have to be driven manually.

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afwriter
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1/23/2018 10:25:25 PM
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@Freehe that is a fantastic question. I'm sure that it would change from how to manually control the car to how to safely stop the car and abandon it in case of malfunction. You would have to think that in the future of driverless cars they would do away with steering wheels. 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
1/3/2018 10:00:33 PM
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Telcos Can Drive Connected Vehicle Ecosystem
The forged partnerships that telcos have, including gas stations and parking garages, will definitely change the auto industry and make everything so much more efficient. Being connected to parking garages can really come in handy in a big city like New York.

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afwriter
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1/4/2018 12:43:51 PM
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A lot of this sounds like premium services, like getting your gas delivered to your car; but if people can pay for them then why not? I could definitely see where the parking garage thing would come in handy, I live in the 'burbs, but when I do have to go into the city finding a good parking garage gives me anxiety. 

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Ariella
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1/4/2018 1:33:02 PM
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@afwriter smart parking apps are already available, I'm sure. The real trick would be a crowdsourced one that allows people to know where free -- not metered and not in parking garages -- are availabe in real time. 

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afwriter
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1/4/2018 4:38:31 PM
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Not impossible, thank goodness 5G is right around the corner to help with all the data something like this would need. 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
1/5/2018 6:42:40 PM
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@afwriting Since I always forget to put gas in the car, then look at the gauge to see I am on empty, I certainly would pay for someone to come deliver gas to me. I usually try to rush to the closest gas station on fumes hoping for the best.

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Ariella
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1/8/2018 2:23:21 PM
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@srulof1 Perhaps you need audiotry reminders. It shouldn't be that difficult to have the car say "low fuel" and not just light up with the light that lets you know you only have about gallon left in the tank. This can also work to alert people to the check engine light and other visual cues on the dashboard.

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JohnBarnes
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1/8/2018 2:49:44 PM
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srufolo1, Ariella,

A connected AI with access to the needed data could say mucvh more than "low fuel." When you start the car in the morning it might say something more like "Good morning, Ms. Rufulo1.  It's Tuesday and you only have two round trips to work worth of gas left. Traffic is light all the way to work. Would you like to stop at Gas Depot on your way to work? There probably won't be a line and it should be cheaper than waiting till Thursday morning."

If you tell it yes, it then reminds you when to turn so that you don't forget to do it on your way to work, checks traffic, prices, and crowding so you don't get stuck in a line, etc. You could also tell it "Not this morning, remind me again this afternoon" or even "It's a busy week, and I have to pick up my sister at the airport tonight, please have fuel delivered while I'm parked at work."

"Thank you, Ms. Rufulo1. Also, there's a forecast for snow, and your wiper fluid is low. Should we top up with windshield de-icer when the fuel is delivered?"

People are still thinking of these things as being timesavers like crockpots, microwaves, or roombas.  One of the biggest marketing problems they face is getting people to think of it as "Bob, the Meticulous Servant."

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Ariella
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1/8/2018 2:58:22 PM
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@JohnBasrnes Honestly, if my car started talking to me that much in the  morning, I'd want to shut it off the same way I turn off radio stations that seem to play endless commercial after endless commercial instead of the news or music I tuned in for. If it's not what I want to hear about, I prefer silence. Also I do check the dashboard and try to keep my gas tank at least one quarter full.

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afwriter
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1/23/2018 10:32:20 PM
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My dad had a 1980-something Nissan that would talk instead of ding. So if you left the lights on it would say "lights on" or if you forgot to buckle it would say "buckle seatbelts." I'm surprised that didn't become more common place. 

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Ariella
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1/24/2018 8:33:10 AM
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@afwriter It could be it was a bit ahead of its time. Now people are used to Siri and others talking to them, but back then some people may have felt weirded out by it.

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afwriter
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1/24/2018 10:53:14 AM
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With consoles built into newer cars and being able to connect to Siri and Echo through your car, I am surprised that this isn't a thing. I also have a 2004 Mitsubishi so maybe newer cars do talk to you and I just don't know it. 

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Ariella
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1/24/2018 11:00:45 AM
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@afwriter we also have older cars. However, given that newer cars come with hands-free activation features that usually rely on voice, I'd think that they could also respond. I found a video of a car from 2007 that talks on YouTube.

 



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mpouraryan
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1/8/2018 4:46:18 PM
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Always enjoy your perspective @JohnBarnes--this is sa I am on a brief prowl to share this notation courtesy of Alan Murray @ Fortune as it clearly appears AI is in the ascendancy at #CES2018:
  
       
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JANUARY 8, 2018

Good morning.

I'm leaving the East Coast deep freeze this morning and heading to Las Vegas, along with 180,000 of the tech-obsessed, for the annual CES show. The massive conference used to focus on consumer electronics, but it has broadened its remit in recent years and become a gathering place for representatives of every industry trying to understand how tech is going to rock their world.

Top buzzwords for this year's extravaganza, according to CES connoisseur Shelly Palmer: Artificial Intelligence, Blockchain, and Augmented Reality. For the first time ever, the conference will include an "AI Marketplace" alongside the traditional marketplaces for TVs, smart homes, drones, robotics, etc., on the massive convention center floor. Fortune will be hosting Nvidia CEO Jensen Huang tonight at its annual Brainstorm Tech dinner. Huang is the perfect representation of the change that has overtaken CES. Nvidia built its business on Graphical Processing Units used in computer games; but its stock has skyrocketed recently as its powerful GPUs have been powering more AI applications. (Huang was Fortune's 2017 Businessperson of the Year.)

This year's CES is also becoming a battleground in the digital assistant war. Amazon's Alexa is the early leader in the field, but Google has plastered its "Hey, Google" digital assistant wake-up call on billboards, buses and other vacant spaces all over the city. Apple's entry into the war, HomePod, is expected early this year.


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srufolo1
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1/8/2018 6:19:54 PM
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@JohnBarnes All of this sounds like something I really need, and my 2008 car is certainly not a smart car by any means. But to tell you the truth, half the time I don't have the money to put gas in the car. Now if the connected AI could only pay for the gas!

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mhhf1ve
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1/9/2018 1:41:13 PM
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> "Now if the connected AI could only pay for the gas!"

If Elon Musk's vision come true, maybe a self-driving Tesla will earn its own keep and drive other people in an Uber-like network while you're not using it. Then it'll pay for itself! (And it won't need gas, and electricity is a bit cheaper, anyway)

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srufolo1
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1/10/2018 9:51:02 AM
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@mhhf1ve Can you imagine earning a living in such a way? There goes the Uber business! Sounds so simple. But it will be a long ways before this kind of technology is implemented. Look how long it's taking just to roll out 5G, etc...

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mhhf1ve
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1/10/2018 11:20:21 AM
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The idea that autonomous robots might provide income to us humans seems to me to be the way we get to a Universal Basic Income economy. It'll definitely take a while to get there since robots are quite ready to do too many tasks by themselves completely.

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mhhf1ve
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1/8/2018 3:30:05 PM
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Perhaps, though, the era of internal combustion engines is over.. and we should prepare for "charging batteries" for *everything* -- including our cars. No more gas to pump.. but if no one figures out how to speed up charging by a LOT, then we'll be sitting around waiting for our cars to charge up. 

Or.. I guess I could imagine a huge Anker charging truck that comes to your car and connects a mobile battery to it while you drive.

 

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Ariella
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1/8/2018 4:31:13 PM
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@mhhf1ve better yet -- a drone that can get to your car even when you're sitting in a traffic jam!

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mhhf1ve
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1/8/2018 6:12:00 PM
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Baby steps. I think maybe we'll get the Knight Rider semi-truck that comes to pick you up -- where you can drive into the trailer and charge up while still going where you need to go. Cue the 80s music

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Ariella
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1/8/2018 6:21:12 PM
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Why not? @mhf1ve People seem to be getting nostalgic for the 80s, or perhaps even the 90s now judging from the glasses styles that have come back in fashion.

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JohnBarnes
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1/8/2018 2:29:59 PM
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srufolo1,

With appropriate sensors and a memory of your driving, including your habits and normal routes, your car could eventually learn to suggest pulling into a gas station that happened to be the cheapest place to fill up on a route/day when you weren't in a hurry, reserving deliveries (which are bound to cost more) only for rare occasions when they're really necessary. Sufficiently trainable AI, allowed access to enough diverse data, is indistinguishable from having  good life-management skills!

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/8/2018 2:54:56 PM
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> "I certainly would pay for someone to come deliver gas to me"

There is, as they say, an app for that.

https://www.trybooster.com/

 

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freehe
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1/23/2018 8:53:26 PM
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@afwriter, In theory this sounds good. However, the problem of overbooking could occur when companies become greedy like airlines when they overbook passengers.

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