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(And Curt, thanks for the tip! I'm checking the site out right now!)

Thanks for the show all!

Good idea, Mike Robuck.

Steel

@Mike, sure: https://www.securitynow.com/radio.asp?doc_id=733540

Curt, can you add a link?

Author

We're a sister site for Telco Transformation -- our online media empire just keeps growing!

In this brief lull, I wanted to let folks know about another online radio show premiering later this afternoon: At 3:00 p.m. EDT we're launching Voice of Security Radio at SecurityNow.com. Join me over there where we'll be talking security and devops!

OK, thanks Arpit and Mazin, and for everyone else that joined us today. Looks like there will be plenty to follow up  on ONAP the rest of the year. 

Author

for more details on security or services, I suggest the following wiki link on documentation. 

https://wiki.onap.org/

Arpit

 

If anyone would like to download the ECOMP white paper, then please go to about.att.com/content/dam/snrdocs/ecomp.pdf . More videos are at http://about.att.com/innovation/labs

 

Steel

If we were to equate platforms with services, however, would they best be considered as services to the end users -- or services to the devs? (Or, perhaps, both?)

I covered the question on standards bodies as well. I would recommend downlaoding a white paper that shows how standards and open source can work together in a full stack. 

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/research/harmonizing-open-source-standards-in-telecom

moew info onap.org

Either of you have time to addres security and ONAP?

Author

To carol's question, the vendors realize that virtualization and open source is part of the solution and they are working on new business models. From education, training to professional services and platform deployment. ONAP is a platform, like an operating system, and not a service that you can deploy.

 
 
Steel

Indeed, many comedians live by the credo: Always leave them wanting more.

While the audio cut off was not planned, I can say that we enjoyed the questions and discuaaion ans and it always feels good when the community wants more.... 

Arpit

 

(Also, for those interested, Part 2 of that conversation is up as of yesterday: (link))

Audio is done but we have about 10 minutes of online chat here.

Author

We also had a question about the need for stanards bodies. For instance, Facebook is taking a more active role with TIP in 5G. Do we still need standards bodies?

 

Author

@Carol: This very concern was discussed at length in my recent Telco Transformation interview with CenturyLink's Gahn Lane. It's all about perceived-risk tolerance. (link)

is the audio up? i am still unable to hear anything.!

 

 

A bright future is likely open source and reference design. IP would not be a concern in this model as long as the licensing happens correctly. Services and support are probably where more value for vendors will be.

Steel

How are you addressing vendor concerns - which they are increasingly voicing - that they are having a hard time making the business model work around open source software?

GOLD

 Carol, hopefully, I addresssed your question in the audio. Vendors are playing an even bigger role as they contribute to common code and then help innovate on top. Plus the life cyle to deployment is speeded up for faster revenue and engagement. Relationship change from supplier-vendor to co-creator of shared technology

Great! Thanks, Liz, Mike, et al.!

Arpit, I think you answered this but just in case:

 

How are you addressing vendor concerns - which they are increasingly voicing - that they are having a hard time making the business model work around open source software?

GOLD

 

Author

Let me answer a question on Microservices. ONAP employs microservices in the form of containers. It is applied in A&AI, DCAE analytics and throughout the platform.

Steel

Hi All! Apologies for stop in the audio -- we are experiencing technical difficulties with the radio show platform. Mike and Matzin and Arpit will be on the chat boards in a few minutes -- stand by.

Platinum

@Ariella: "Uncertainty is the only certainty there is, and knowing how to live with insecurity is the only security." - attributed to John Allen Paulos

And it's a shame -- the conversation was very, very good!

Sorry about the audio ending. 

 

Author

Yeah, on this paltform when the time's up, it's up decisively.

@Ariella/@Michelle: Okay, so it's not just me.

@Ariella yes, the audio is gone

Platinum

@michelle is that why we had a sudden stop?

Author

q.v. re: nonprofits and business: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444017504577647502309260064

Did the audio just fade out?

Author

Time's up... apparently :)

Platinum

@Joe he was absolutely right. 

Author

@Curt: And, of course, there's only what we know about in the tech press...with lots of conflicts and actions and arbitrations and negotiations and mediations going on quietly that we don't know about.

@Ariella: Precisely what I was thinking about.

I would see it as big step forward...

Platinum

@Kelsey: I'll never forget one of the most important life lessons I got. I worked at a nonprofit while in college. I heard the general manager (the guy who ran the place) and my immediate supervisor talking about "profits." Naive teenage me chimed in, "Duh, I thought we were not for profit!" (I may not have actually said the "Duh").  The general manager, a very large, very jovial man, let out an ENORMOUS boffo, clapped me on the shoulder, and said, "Kid, every business is for profit."

@Joe, I think it depends on the size of the company. I know that I once was actively doing work for one part of Microsoft while being sued by another -- I think it might happen more often than we would think.

@Joe yes, particulary with questions of patent infringement.

Author

@Ariella: Not these companies specifically, that I'm aware of, but it happens quite frequently in the Valley/in the tech sector.

ODM's are fully onboard and focused on open source in moving the solutions forward. 

Steel

@Joe are they really suing each other now?

Author

Yes, I do assume the water is going to be on, but I've learned I can't always rely on some services, given that my electricity suffered 3 different disruptions recently with another actually scheduled for next week.

Author

@Michelle: I do! Those were the days.  *sigh*

Answer to poll: Cloud-native based microservices

Author

@Kelsey: That's like asking "Do we still need [any industry/company]?" Standards bodies are nonprofit organizations, and nonprofit organizations are still -- at the end of the day -- businesses, despite the "nonprofit designation.

@Joe you probably remember when you had to type WIN in DOS to launch windows (3.1)

Platinum

Hi All! Late to the party but glad to be here.

Platinum

@Curt/@Ariella: In mature tech markets like these, companies can at once be archenemies and great frirends. How often do they actively collaborate on projects WHILE actively suing each other? ;)

@Carol that's an excellent question.

Author

Do we still need standards bodies?

Author

How are you addressing vendor concerns - which they are increasingly voicing - that they are having a hard time making the business model work around open source software?

interesting to know 

Platinum

@michelle: Probably the first command I learned was "dir".  (Ahhhh.... MS-DOS...)

is ONAP built for Telecomm only, or it can be used by other industries?

Steel

Ariella, wasn't that the whole point behind Ray Noorda's old "coopetition" strategy?

(There will *ALWAYS* be better data models...and then better ones on top of those.)

Poll answer: microservices (first option)

 

would companies that are competors really be able to fully trust each other though?

Author

culture of collaboration sounds excellent

Platinum

some of the first commands you teach your kids ;)

PLATINUM

 that is so true and funny!

some of the first commands you teach your kids ;)

Platinum

heh, true about ping and traceroute

Platinum

Sounds exciting, new names coming out!

Author

They really do get around!

Author

@Michelle too true!

Author

but if you don't know what you're doing, you've got a bit more work to do to get started :)

Platinum

Poll answer: A Cloud-native based microservices

Platinum

Blending orchestration with OSS

Author

Q-4 is pretty close, actually

Author

Definitely, there is rela pain and real problems that require real solutions.

Author

Poll

 What will have the biggest impact initially for ONAP?

 * Cloud-native based microservices

 • Onboarding and lifecycle management of VNFs

 •Blending orchestration with OSS

 •Creating a better data model

Author

Love that: "best brains" coming together to build something "really phenomenonal" together

Author

the new approach sounds much better

Platinum

shoudl be *blueprint*

Author

@Michelle, I may try that next time. The chat is working faster now, as I see the comment I just posted.

Author

the blueptint for manufacturing a car with the requisite connections -- that's a good way of picturing it.

Author

@Ariella I just switched to FF. Audio is working well. You may have flash disabled...

Platinum

I'm on Safari but probably the only one in the world right now.  I can see my posts right away though

Author

@Mike I've tried IE and Mozilla in the past but only when I couldn't get the audio to load. What do you use?

Author

@Mike @Michellel I'm also on Chrome, though not incognito

Author

I like that: "open source should b e aplatform for innovation."

Author

yeah -- chrome from incognito tab

Platinum

Ariella and Michelle, are you on Chrome? I quit using Chrome for radio shows

Author

@Michelle so it's not my browser to blame.

Author

@Ariella I'm seeing a delay on my end too...

Platinum

beginning with the end user in mind sounds great

Platinum

there seems to be a delay on seeing the chat comments. I have to refresh to bring them up to date.

Author

Hello. I'm very interested in this talk.

 

Steel

Oh good question -- interesting to hear the drivers for opening up...

Author

So that would be just 2 months ago.

Author

Oh, are we talking about where we would vacation? Shucks I'm on "vacation" right now -- as much as I can ever be on vacation, I suppose.

Listening from Atlanta

 

Steel

somewhere calm and quiet

Author

Sad to hear that the honeymoon is over.  

Author

Checking in from Boston!

Hi, guys! Glad to be here. (At least, until the person who's late to call me goes ahead and calls me...)

Hopefully along the coast

 

Hopefully camping somewhwere

Author

vacation? what's that?

Platinum

Is there  another healthcare Transformation Radio Live Chat? Tks

 

Steel

audio is loading...

Platinum

good morning from New Jersey

Steel

Good morning from Silicon Valley (Fremont)

 

Steel

Hi everyone from Niagara Falls Canada

Hello -- listening from sunny Texas today. 

Platinum

Hello from San Diego, CA

Steel

Look forward to the discussion and questions. Mazin

Steel

Good Morning all, I am excited to join and answer questions on ONAP momentum and roadmap for Network Automation. See you all in a few. 

Arpit Joshipura, GM Networking, Linux Foundation

Welcome to the Radio Show and Chat everyone! Everyone say hello to Mazin and Arpit and tell us where you listening in from?

Author

Greetings and salutations everyone!

Steel

Good morning/afternoon everyone!  Remember to turn up your volume on the computers.  At the top of the hour an audio player will pop up on your screen.  If you don't see it, try to press F5 to refresh your screen. Remember, there's no slides for this it's just a discussion, so be sure to post your questions, comments and thoughts on the message boards and we will join you on the chat after the audio stream. 

Author

Counting down to the show with Mazin and Arpit. Here are few blogs on ONAP for your reading pleasure:

ONAP adds more members

AT&T's Chris Rice on ONAP

China Mobile & ONAP

ONS Summit: ONAP makes a big splash

OPEN-O, ECOMP become ONAP

Author

Good morning all! It's nice to see a busy room. I'm looking forward to this show.

Platinum

Hi , interested to listen on ONAP concepts

Steel

loking to learn on the affect of the merge on the xisting baseline architecture

Steel

Awaiting eagerly to this..:)

 

looking foward to this

Steel

Great! Looking forward to this show!

Steel

Looking forward to it - looks like a great radio show!

Platinum

WILL  return on the 15th for Sure!

Steel

Looking forward to another great session

Steel

Sounds like another great session!

Steel

Greetings and salutations everyone!

Steel

looking forward to the show. 

Platinum

Looking forward to hear about ONAP.

Looking forward to the chat!

Steel

Looks interesting

Steel

I am looking forward to this presentation. Thank you.

Steel
Looking forward to this
Steel

Can't wait to attend. I am excited to learn aobut ONAP, OPEN-O and MANO technologies and their benefits.

Platinum

Can't wait to attend. I am excited to learn aobut ONAP, OPEN-O and MANO technologies and their benefits.

Platinum

hope to attend should be interesting 

Platinum

It will be interesting to see if the coming together of the two approaches has driven new momentum for MANO and NFV adoption.

Author

This should be a great show! I'm looking forward to it.

Platinum

Looking forward to hearing from the Linux Foundation!

Author

Looking forward to this show!

Steel


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