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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/28/2017 6:20:24 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
@elizabethv When I use public Wi-Fi like at a Starbucks or Dunkin' Donuts, even the public library, I never actually read what I am supposed to be agreeing to. I just click the "I Agree" button so that I can get onto the Internet as fast as possible. As far as people reading and their comprehension of what they have read, I believe everyone comprehends differently. Sometimes people read more into what is written than what is actually there.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
2/28/2017 3:59:01 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
Very interesting! I did not know that. It'll definitely be cool to see how exactly this plays out and if the deal will actually go through..

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/27/2017 7:09:19 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
@vnewman - I went to see if there had been updates on the LeEco/Vizio deal, since some time has passed since your post. I was unable to find recent updates - but what I did find was interesting. One newsource stated in December the deal was all but done. But then on February 7th, a different news source stated that despite this little hiccup with Vizio, the deal was still set to proceed. Which makes me wonder why the source in December called it good, when two months later there was still possible speculation it might not happen. And now, there are no recent updates to say one way or the other.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/27/2017 7:03:55 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
@srufolo1 - No doubt most people don't read the fine print. That's why it's as successful as it is. And if people were out there really reading what all we've agreed to, I'm sure most would never agree. But then you get into, even if you can read it, given that it is typically in legal-ese the number of people that can even understand what they're reading is probably dwindling by the day. I'm amazed by the lack of reading comprehension people seem to hold anymore. I think a fair number of people do actually read, I wonder about the number of people that truly understand what they are reading. But then all you have to do is spend some time reading comments on a news site for a few minutes and you'll see the number of people who don't understand what they read at all. 

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Ariella
Ariella
2/13/2017 1:33:27 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
@mhhf1ve I looked at a few articles that reported on Vizio's fines, but none identify exactly how much it made from the sale of this illegally obtined data. It's possible that the sales were bundled with other data or services, which would make it difficult to pin an exact dollar value on it. Based on the fines, one would think, it wouldn't have topped $2 million or so in its own right.

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vnewman
vnewman
2/13/2017 12:41:44 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
They've been doing it for years so you would think they've raked in more than the fine amount.

One interesting item of note is the Chinese powerhouse firm LeEco was slated to buy Vizio for 2 Billion.  The deal hasn't been put to bed yet however, so it will be interesting to see if they back out because of this debacle!

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/10/2017 1:23:11 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
I may have to check out the court records to see if Vizio was forced to disclose how much it made from selling the private data it collected.... I haven't seen anyone report on that key detail yet..?

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/10/2017 1:21:20 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
@elizabethtv  If it's in small print, a lot of people probably don't notice. I don't think we really know to what extend our data is collected, whether we sign or not. Do we really know the implications? We are so vulnerable and leave ourselves open to hacking I think.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/10/2017 12:37:10 PM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
@mhhf1ve Both good points. It would not even be a fine if they made more from the sale of people's data. And, I agree, who could trust a company that would deploy such dishonest tactics. It's sure to damage both Vizio's reputation, and its bottom line.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/10/2017 8:26:42 AM
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Re: Spying Not So Smart on TVs
@vnewman - The crazy thing is that they didn't have someone to stop them from moving forward without making the user agree to the terms and conditions. It seems like it would be just as easy as everyone else makes it, don't let someone passed the screen where they have to agree, until they agree. I thought it was common sense that a company needed to get a users permission for that kind of thing. It makes me wonder if they worried someone would read the conditions, then put it in a review and it would cost them sales. Though in the long run, I think this will hurt their sales far more than any user agreement would have. 

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