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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
1/31/2017 9:45:58 PM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
I have experienced several similar experiences and am sure many more had ..

We got be really mindful because all online stories seem to be really true. But majority of them are questionable. So not really sure if there is an easy way to figure out real vs fake.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
1/31/2017 9:42:39 PM
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Re: the fix is in
Well said @dmendyk. This makes me think pros vs cons of digitalization. I am surely not in curse of advancement in technology. But i have heard many stories about Photoshop - both professional and personal. So we are not sure whether to belive what we see digitally..

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
1/31/2017 9:21:25 PM
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I really don't see a solution
Philosophy of communication issue: there are only two ways to establish truth, either correspondence (you know what is real and you measure the statement against that) or coherence (you check the statement against the whole population of statements and determine how closely and densely it is connected to statements you trust (or doubt) very highly). In practice correspondence always ends up reducing to coherence anyway.

The sheer volume of stuff that will have to be read on the internet, and the sheer ease with which new text can be generated, suggests to me that this is one of those cases where a nickel's worth of offense (i.e. putting out huge numbers of slightly different versions of the same story and linking them in natural-like ways) will probably beat twenty dollars' worth of defense (i.e. looking for correspondence patterns that  seem engineered rather than natural).  So defense is likely to be plain old slow plodding people with the pointed stick of inquiry; offense will be the equivalent of computer-aimed machine guns of lie-production.

We are so sunk.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
1/31/2017 7:24:06 PM
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Re: the fix is in
@faryl - that aspect is too true also! We can't, and really shouldn't, be relying on people in technology, or even people in journalism, to make sure that what we are reading is factual. People need to know how to figure that out for themselves, so that they aren't victims of their own ignorance. If everyone just inherently trusts what they read because the writers and the content managers are ensuring the information is accurate, all it takes is a little abuse to watch the whole thing becoming dangerous. 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
1/31/2017 7:20:58 PM
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Re: the fix is in
@dmendyk - I completely agree with you. A lot of the "fake news" is coming from Eastern Europe, to my understanding. I think for their part they enjoy being able to pull so many people into their trap. While doing work for my Master's Degree I came across an entire book claiming that the Famine in the Ukraine had never happened. The book itself amazed me, it used a lot of the same facts I already knew to verify the Famine, but used them in such a way so as to imply it had never happened. To me it will always be the proof that anyone looking at facts needs to dig deeper than just the facts presented. After reading that I saw just how easy it was to manipulate facts to suit your preconceived beliefs. The idea of doing so will never go away.

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faryl
faryl
1/31/2017 6:49:45 PM
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Re: the fix is in
@dmendyk I think it speaks volumes that instead of educating people how to be more discerning, the people being tasked with addressing the prevalence of fake news are from the same part of the information flow that produces it. As long people need to rely on the news creators to discernp fact from fake, there will always be potential for it to be abused.

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dmendyk
dmendyk
1/31/2017 5:28:19 PM
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the fix is in
Digital technology is a key enabler of "fake news." Think Photoshop manipulation for starters. Lying isn't new, it's just a lot easier to do on a mass scale. Good luck trying to stop it.

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clrmoney
clrmoney
1/31/2017 4:26:44 PM
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No More Fake news
I like to Google adsense misrepresentation policy whic can be very heplful and useful for all of this new stuff that is everywhere.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
1/31/2017 3:56:05 PM
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Personal Responsibilty
I also think personal responsibility really needs to come into play too though. A friend had posted a story about Hillary Clinton on her Facebook during the election. I clicked on the link and read the story, realizing the story was from the "Denver Tribune" supposedly, Denver's oldest newspaper. I've lived in Denver for over 4 years now, and in that time I'd never even heard of the "Denver Tribune." So I started searching a little bit to see why I hadn't ever heard of this paper. In the end, the "story" was the only "story" on the whole website. Every other page was under construction. And the address given for the paper, was actually a parking lot along Colfax, a few miles from where I work. Not that close to downtown, and definitely a sketchy part of town. The story was a fake, the paper was a fake, the address was definitely fake. But none of that mattered, it seemed convincing enough that my friend and I'm sure hundreds if not thousands of people had fallen for the whole thing. I think we all need to try to verify the stories we're reading, and learn how to figure out the fakes from the real ones.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
1/31/2017 3:51:26 PM
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Multi-faceted
I think the problem of fake news is multi-faceted. One the one hand, it's great to see companies trying to take some responsibility, trying to identify business that might be related to larger companies that are meddling in affairs best left alone (like child pornography.) If any person or business identifies that type of situation, I would hope they would take all of the right steps to get that business reported to the authorities and any connection promptly removed. I won't pretend that there isn't any fault in the hands of businesses. For instance, multiple news networks reported not too long ago that Saudi Arabia and other Arabic countries were not taking in Syrian refugees. This came complete with a picture and a meme of tents in Saudi Arabia that could have been used to house refugees. This information has perpetuated to a point where most believe this to be the case. And it is in fact, incorrect. Saudi Arabia, and most other Arabic countries have been taking in refugees for awhile now. Part of the problem is a disconnect in the language, they aren't reporting them as refugees. So when you look at stats from those countries, you don't see any refugees whatsoever, but it isn't because they don't exist, it's because the name isn't being used. A little more investigative reporting on the part of the people who broke the story to Western Media might have been helpful, and have avoided a lot of falsehoods that are currently being spread. 

http://www.newsweek.com/gulf-states-are-taking-syrian-refugees-401131

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