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jbtombes
2/23/2016 10:06:09 AM
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IoT segments
So just to clarify, this IoT initiative is directed more toward industrial and enterprise vs. residential? I.e., not linked to its home automation or consumer IoT effort, which has gone through various transformations of its own.
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It sounds like it is more for business, versus consumers/homes, I read that Verizon says they are targeting "new IoT deployments and partnerships in agriculture, healthcare, sustainability, public safety and urban development."
clrmoney
2/23/2016 12:05:01 PM
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I think it is a great idea for Verizon with the IOT so they can add more value to the business etc.
DHagar
2/23/2016 2:27:57 PM
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clrmoney, I am with you on that point. I think it opens up many new channels for Verizon and clearly gives them a path to strong economic growth.
Their ThingSpace is a really good idea.
Ariella
2/23/2016 1:05:10 PM
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@writerfo10281 well, it makes sense All those industries do stand to benefit from such systems. Certainly, getting real time information on places can make a huge difference in public safety, and it can literally make the difference between life and death for certain health issues.
DHagar
2/23/2016 2:31:05 PM
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Ariella, great applications.
Particularly with healthcare, not only the real time but also the IoT SC will help them provide services that people trust.
Additionally, they will open up new markets with their effective use of low bandwidth, where that can increase access.
Ariella
2/23/2016 2:32:13 PM
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@DHagar yes, and that can prove really life-changing for some people with conditions that require regular monitoring.
DHagar
2/23/2016 2:49:09 PM
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Ariella, makes sense! We will increasingly rely on these new capabilities to improve our quality of life and better support people in their homes and otherwise isolated.
It will totally change the healthcare delivery options - "connectivity" will be the new norm for patient care.
mpouraryan
2/23/2016 2:56:33 PM
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The March to progress is quite fun to be witness to. As it is a welcome development to see this, the back end infrastructure to support this is also quite a challenge as well--up to and including the security.
DHagar
2/23/2016 4:00:47 PM
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mpouraryan, indeed. These are truly "revolutionary" times that require new solutions, new services, and new cultures to support it. We are truly changing and in the process of shaping the future.
Your points are excellent about the challenges to make the pieces all work and to ensure security as well. That's why I believe the platform architecture is a good design to build the back-end infrastructure and continue to develop the appropriate channels and applications. Clearly flexibility is key.
This is building the railroad tracks in front of the oncoming train!
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@DHagar:
This is building the railroad tracks in front of the oncoming train!
Very well said. What is extremely important at this time is, be extra cautious to make sure the foundation is foolproof as I don't see that there is any tolerence for things to go wrong at this crucial times.
Companies must ensure that a good model is in place with all key areas like Infrastructure, Security and ability to customize per cutomer's needs and priorities.
DHagar
2/23/2016 5:30:37 PM
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ms.akkineni, well said. Definitely, or we will just end up with infrastructure that does not work or fit the current demands.
In addition, I believe it will require new designs, as opposed to plugging in our known solutions and trying to make those serve the new requirements.
That's why the Verizon platform looks to be a promising solution.
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Well, at least you saved money on the cost of maintenance of railroad tracks you weren't using before the train came! ;)
mpouraryan
2/26/2016 2:36:30 AM
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As I read your thoughts @DHagar, I could not help but wonder (as I have wondered out loud), who is at the forefront and who will be remain standing after everything is settled. We have to thread lightly--don't we? I would argue that an implicit message of the Apple/FBI fight is also part of the challenge.
DHagar
2/26/2016 1:06:15 PM
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@mpouraryan, yes caution is warranted. I believe that with a vision of what we are trying to provide, and then an assessment of the right tools, the right architecture, the right players, etc., the leaders will design effective platforms and sustainable products and services. In other words, they will figure out the successful pathways and build the right models. That is what is impressive with what Verizon is doing here.
batye
3/1/2016 3:10:26 AM
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@DHagar I could not agree more it a big task... not easy or simple but with great rewards at the end... on the long run...
DHagar
2/23/2016 2:26:06 PM
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jbtombes, I see it as yes and no. It appears to me that they are building a platform for other applications and providers that will deliver products/services to consumers. If so, that would position Verizon as a "host" for IoT more so than the primary service provider. If that is correct, that would be a key shift in moving into enterprise and larger business/industrial markets.
Either way, they are making a smart move and positioning themselves in an area where platforms can advance IoT.
mpouraryan
2/23/2016 2:59:05 PM
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The foundation is there--no question. Their challenge is to sustain it because it requires a lot of education. It is a matter of crossing the 'Chasm" that is yet to be fully realized.
DHagar
2/23/2016 4:11:32 PM
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mpouraryan, your point about education is so true. We have to learn how to discover and learn again in order to gain the knowledge of the new environment. Then it is a matter of sharing that knowledge and changing the mindset and cultures of those who have not yet learned.
vnewman
2/23/2016 5:24:26 PM
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"You look at network on demand, which is a virtualization capability, it's the fastest adopted service we have. We're up to 450 enterprise customers already deployed. We're moving very quickly and I think the customers are not at all hesitant."
Network on demand, in my opinion, has potential to be a real game-changer. The need for speed is real and they've made fairly good in-roads with some big companies. How it all plays out remains to be seen, but the fact that people are willing to pay for this as a premium service (when usually the trend is toward discounting) says a lot, I think.
DHagar
2/23/2016 5:35:57 PM
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vnewman, that level of performance will be highly competitive - I think you are right. Again, beyond the utility of IoT, the distinctive performance should make a real difference.
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@DHagar, @mpouraryan:
So True. Education at this revolutionary times is a recurring need. Knowledge and experience sharing is equally critical. No matter how much education we get to, there could be so much more we tend to pick up from a shared experience from someone. That other perspective is always great to be aware of. Lastly mindset and culture - these are two critical challenges whenever we have to deal with something new or a revolutionary concept.
DHagar
2/23/2016 5:37:40 PM
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ms.akkineni, well said. I think the culture change may be the biggest challenge for the future, but also the one that can truly open the doors to change.
Ariella
2/23/2016 6:07:39 PM
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@Dhagar yes, changing a culture is a huge challenge. It's even harder than breaking a habit!
batye
2/23/2016 7:18:03 PM
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@Ariella I would say it like almost fighting the human nature... as not asn easy process...
batye
2/23/2016 7:21:16 PM
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@ms.akkineni also I would add it like to get right information in the right time... mindset and culture could be changed... time is a healer/fixer of thing.. - in IT field I did see Iranian desent people working with Jewish desent people on the IT projects in Canada...
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@batye:
You brought up a good point. Time is key and could even be considered as a driving factor in some cases. But the question now is 'Do we have that time to wait?' if you think about short lived ever changing trendy age that we are living in today. So i would say there is good and/or bad effect with length of time taken. Sometimes longer wait yields into positive result where as some other times things may get staled and there is good possibility of losing momentum. So TIME is a real tough battle.
batye
2/23/2016 7:44:36 PM
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@ms.akkineni it not an easy, as this days no one want to wait... but you are right coin does have two sides :)
mpouraryan
2/26/2016 2:38:24 AM
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I can't help but wonder if we're expecting too much as a result of this endeavor, though. That's at the heart of the challenge ultimately right?
DHagar
2/26/2016 1:12:21 PM
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@mpouraryan, true, the expectations at this stage are discovery. As I see it, the IoT is forming ad-hoc currently from the myriad of devices. What the platforms, hopefully, will be able to provide are a structure that will connect and add value to the IoT connections. That is really still evolving. So as I see it, it will not be a fulfillment of expectations as much as an enhancement of current services.
dlr5288
2/29/2016 5:25:50 PM
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Good points!
I'm excited to see where exactly Verion will go with this and how successful it will turn out. I'm also glad that they're taking a stand on security and even though they are still incorporating the cloud, security is still a priority.
I think overall what Verizon is doing is taking a really great step in the virtual process and I hope it works out well for them.
batye
3/1/2016 3:11:23 AM
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@dlr5288 yes, same here on my end... but I would say we gonna see it ... or time will tell :)
mhhf1ve
2/23/2016 6:56:44 PM
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Will This ThingSpace catch on?
What are the odds of this ThingSpace catching on? As just a casual observer of tech adoption trends of the years, it's usually the platforms that are useful and convenient that really catch on. So is ThingSpace useful? Sure, it probably has plenty of IoT use cases, just like a bunch of other IoT platforms and IoT itself... but is it convenient? Hmmm.... It seems inherently tied to Verizon's 4G LTE, so that's a barrier if you're not a Verizon user. Obviously, VZ wants developers to stick with VZW solutions, but I think the adoption of IoT might be a bit faster if it didn't come with these kinds of restrictions.
Telcos may have to "Transform" a bit more -- and start thinking beyond their core business of selling bandwidth.
batye
2/23/2016 7:16:04 PM
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Re: Will This ThingSpace catch on?
@mhhf1ve interesting observation, but I think you are right....
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Interesting points.
Verizon 4G LTE barrier for non Verizon customers is surely a limitation. I agree with you about the need to work off the restriction around will be a big driver for faster adaptability for consumer market.
mhhf1ve
2/23/2016 7:48:09 PM
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Re: Will This ThingSpace catch on?
> "Verizon 4G LTE barrier for non Verizon customers is surely a limitation..."
It would have been a bit more inspiring if VZ released a roadmap that included some kind of plan to support IoT outside of its own network. If ThingSpace has a long term vision, VZ needs to see that developers will start on VZ and there will be applications where VZ's network won't be the best choice -- but that supporting the platform on another network could still become a revenue stream down the line.
Perhaps some other entity will clone the feature set of ThingSpace and make it network agnostic.... Then we'll be off to the races.
batye
2/23/2016 7:50:23 PM
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@mhhf1ve interesting point, maybe one day...
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Perhaps some other entity will clone the feature set of ThingSpace and make it network agnostic.... Then we'll be off to the races.
This is a sure possibility. After all that has been the latest trend. So we all must sit tight to hear/see a clone with some additional capabilities upcoming.
afwriter
2/24/2016 1:10:38 PM
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Re: Will This ThingSpace catch on?
For Verizon or anyone else to really catch on and grab a strong market hold they will not only have to offer back end support, but they will need to start working with contractors to get their IoT compatible devices built directly into buildings.
Ariella
2/24/2016 4:32:47 PM
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Good point @afwriter. The IoT component would have to be integral to design to really hit the mainstream market.
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@afwriter: Not to mention state and local governments -- especially if you want to make your devices "standard."
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@afwriter:
Really important piece of the puzzle - Consent and formal approvals / processes with local state and federal governments could be larger and complex than what we could anticipate. There has to be enough thought and time that needs to go in for that aspect.
This is exactly what is quoted by Pam (AT & T CIO for mobile and business solutions) when she was asked about the biggest surprise with the whole merger implementation.
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@afwriter:
To incorporate back end support into model is a very good thought and extension that fits into the model. Then it would be up to service providers to see and make sure to work things around by howeveer means they could. I believe there must be some key choices and decision making essential to make the move.
mpouraryan
2/26/2016 2:37:36 AM
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Re: Will This ThingSpace catch on?
I wonder what you would emphasize first and how would you execute? It can be a minefield if it is not executed the right way.
dlr5288
2/24/2016 8:16:47 PM
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Security
It's good that even with the new inovations of Verizon, that security is still an important aspect. Once again the Cloud is playing a big part in this carrier and security is obviously a big concern when dealing with the Cloud.
I think it's great that Verizon is trying out new things with IoT. I just hope hope hat the security measures still remain a top priority.
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Very True and not be overlooked at all.
Security will continue to be an ongoing challenge with each and every new innovation that has been shaping up. And as we see it's being acknowledged and addressed by enterprises. But still it feels like there is an emerging need.
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