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clrmoney
clrmoney
3/28/2018 2:55:11 PM
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UK Backs 5G
I'm not sure about the Government getting into things to me the less governement the better but as far as 5G I think they should take advantage of it because it will be very useful for them especially for people living in foreign countries like the UK/United Kingdom. 

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afwriter
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3/28/2018 11:58:21 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
Right now this seems like research and maybe some lobbying versus direct government intervention. 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/29/2018 7:31:49 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@afwriter:

I hear you. I think this is just the begining. Any initial steps include such reserach kind of tasks. We need to wait to hera more about this.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/29/2018 7:27:26 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
I personally think Government backing should help companies when you think about regulatory requirements. If government is engaged that becomes less hurdleful ordeal. This is just ne quicky that came to my mind.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
3/29/2018 6:37:12 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
Iím kind of in the middle when it comes to the government getting involved. In some ways I think it could help the process. However, in other ways, I think the government getting too involved will make everything too regulated.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
3/30/2018 4:52:56 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
I think American's have in some ways anymore, been trained to fear regulation. And it can without a doubt get out of hand. But regulations are also what keep your drinking water from being drinkable (and even with them we seem to have trouble with this.) But a lot of regulations exist for a reason, without them your 4-year-old might have to go to work daily at a factory, people could sell you an item claiming it's one thing when it's really another and not have to face any penalties. A 10-year-old could drive a car. Regulations aren't a bad thing. Everything in moderation.

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Michelle
Michelle
3/31/2018 8:05:22 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@Liz I've thought the same about the US and regulation. We do have an awful lot of regulation to manage, however. Nagivating the regulation maze can be very difficult.

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batye
batye
4/2/2018 11:27:06 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@Michelle good point in Canada this days it a one big legal mess to navigate... not easy or simple... 

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DHagar
DHagar
4/17/2018 7:07:44 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@batye, interesting!  I thought Canada was more on the cutting edge and wanting to advance trade, etc., as well as their overall economy; which would have backed the advancement and deployment of 5G.

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batye
batye
4/17/2018 7:27:39 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@DHagar  in some areas we are years behind usa and rest of the world... our Gov. say one thing but in reality in my area not many things change at all... over last 20 years... 

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DHagar
DHagar
4/18/2018 5:19:51 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@batye, it is hard for governments to turn the big ships around and be rsponsive to customers and changing markets.  That is the problem.  Government is designed for stability and security.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/23/2018 8:18:03 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@Dhagar: Exactly, any big innovation has to start from private enterprises. Government certainly can encourage and contribute in possible ways. That collaboration is very important in terms of passing right message to public.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/23/2018 5:29:41 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, well said!  Plus we don't want governments to take the risks that private capital has to take for new developments - the public would not find that acceptable.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/30/2018 8:14:16 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
Yes of course, completely agree with you. That safety factor is what public is used with government. If not it would be out of control and we don't want that for sure.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/30/2018 6:11:47 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, the security blanket for many is the safety net provided by government - so it is an important part of each society.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/24/2018 9:11:36 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
It all depends on how one manages the Government--Government can be a force for positive change if it is harnessed in a righteous way.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/25/2018 6:10:49 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@mpouraryan, well said about how government functions.  That depends on the type of government and whether or not it is a democracy and how the members of that democracy choose their leaders.  Don't forget Hitler was elected!

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/25/2018 9:27:45 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
Yes--and we have plenty of examples--just as Qaddafi was, Saddam Hussein was, etc.  But that should not discourage us from embracing the role of Government--while remaining vigiliant ever more.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/26/2018 6:46:21 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@mpouraryan, exactly!  It depends on which form of government - which should make us grateful for our form of government.  Although not perfect, it is still the best form man has come up with.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/23/2018 8:14:39 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@batye: I heard the same from a group of folks in a meeting i attended. I was in Toranto last spring and one thing i noticed is the need for infrastructure upgrade. The other interesting thing that caught my attention was how laid back it was over there in general. On a week day people were so at their own pace as opposed to the common rush which is visible in US. I thought it was nice for people's sanity. Here we are constantly in pressure for simple things or otherwise.

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batye
batye
4/23/2018 3:54:36 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni  it all depends on the group in my area/Co. it was always high stress/rush rush... but other just take it easy... 

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/24/2018 9:13:05 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
I continue to see some pessismism @Bayte--I hope as you've continued to deliberate (and this goes for all throughotu the community) that you have somewhat of a more positive and upbeat view--that's what the essence of transformation is and we will all need to continue to do our part!!!



Onward!!!



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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/30/2018 8:22:39 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
I understand there could be some variation from area to area. But in general trend has been so much 'rushy' for anything and everything. I am afraid that this may not change.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
4/30/2018 12:24:39 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
I agree. I know Iím a lot of ways that the government is there to help us and keep them nfs under control. At the same time however, for me personally, itís impossible for me to trust them completely.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/17/2018 12:10:25 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@dlr5288:

Ofcourse, too much Govt involvement will certainly slow down the process as the whole process may turn out to be very challenging. As long as there could be some moderate involvement when needed may help the process relatively easier ig Govt is onboard from the begining. If not there could be good amount of time spent.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/17/2018 7:03:50 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, exactly!  But their tendency to reduce the strings will probably be impacted by the Cambridge breech, the recent attach on the former British spy, etc.  That may cause them to retrench and revert to the true colors.

Governments are not the best driver of innovation.  By their natural function, they are designed to control and govern.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/23/2018 8:05:06 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@DHagar: I agree. It is completely natural think about lose ends when such incidents occur. On the other end progress would be brisk pace if government regulations and policies are not too controlling. I don't mean to say gates should be wide open, but right control with proper governance and sensitivity to timelines would help on the whole.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/23/2018 5:27:29 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, thanks!  That is important to truly understanding the correct roles and responsibility of government.  When it fulfills those proper responsibilities, they are an asset; when they get out of line with those, and/or assume roles that are inappropriate, the results are less than positive .

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/30/2018 8:10:59 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@DHagar: Absolutely, well outlined. That should be the real distinguishing fact. As long as that guideline is followed it would result in an ideal win-win situation for private sector and govt.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/30/2018 6:10:25 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, than you!  Maybe all the changes will remind all of us of those appropriate roles and drive us to better fulfill our responsibilities?

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/30/2018 6:34:06 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
Yes, Let's hope for that future where everyone tries to understand and fullfill their roles responsibly.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/30/2018 6:38:15 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, actually I think that is the safest proposition.  My faith is in humanity and people by nature are good.  So I have confidence that we will adjust, adapt, and continue to grow and develop.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/23/2018 5:31:48 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, true!  Within their responsibilities and roles, however, government needs to restrain itself from institutionalizing the current and controlling the future by the past.  This creates unnecessary bureaucracy and confines us to the limitations of the resources we currently have.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/24/2018 9:07:00 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
I will remind all that it was Government that endowed us with the internet--and some of the very advances we're witness to has been faciltiated by Government--treating Government as the "big bad wolf" may be politically expedient--but not responsible--but government, in the end, is us. 

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DHagar
DHagar
4/25/2018 6:08:59 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@mpouraryan, very true!  I think we have to be careful and appropriately review the role and contribution of government.  With the internet, the advancement, not necessarily just innovation, the government created the networks that became the internet.  This fantastic public infrastructure has contributed in ways private industry could not have achieved.  Just as in aerospace (an industry I have worked in), you can innovate with rockets to improve innovation models, but you cannot successfully send man to the moon and harness all technology and human capital through private markets alone. 

Government serves a unique purpose.  Plus, the US government operates differently than other governments.  So we have to respect and value each roles and the contributions they make.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/25/2018 9:26:34 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
It is unfortunate how the value of Government seems to be on the wane due to the inaction in light of the current atomsphere.    Let's hope that reason and sanity prevails for the sake of our children and grandchildren.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/26/2018 6:44:44 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@mpouraryan, I think the positive outlook is based on the fact that governments in democracy continue to evolve and respond to change - that is how they remain a democracy.  So there is hope for the future!

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/27/2018 12:53:15 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
The key is vigliance ever more.

Onward!!!



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DHagar
DHagar
4/30/2018 6:08:27 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@mpouraryan, true - no coasting!  You have to stay engaged in this day and age!

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
4/30/2018 6:29:05 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
Ever sso...and as we all bid farewell to April...an early "Happy May Day" to all...as I leave you all w/this way all of us "ordinary faces" can make a difference for all our world:

https://futurism.com/hopepage-crypto-mining-charity/

Onward!!

 

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DHagar
DHagar
4/30/2018 6:30:51 PM
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@mpouraryan, good stuff!  Thanks for sharing!

Happy May as well!

 

 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/30/2018 8:25:06 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
In total agreement with you both. Let's remain to be hopeful about good things that government could offer through their governance strategy.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/30/2018 6:14:33 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, absolutely!  One way or the other governments evolve and respond accordingly - even if it takes a long time.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/30/2018 8:19:26 AM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
Excellent point!! 'Controlling future by past' - this is the worst to draw a line and commonly observed pattern with in government agencies. I would not say that is due to lack of exposure about upcoming trends, but just because it is the way they operate and their ability to control and limit private vendors with their limitations. They will welcome a change when they want to and when they are ready.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/30/2018 6:13:21 PM
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Re: UK Backs 5G
@ms.akkineni, well said!  Government is designed to protect the status quo unless the majority desires something better and in the interests of the majority.  That is both the bad news and the good news!

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Shaunn
Shaunn
3/28/2018 7:34:34 PM
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Government Backing
Being backed by the government may backfire on the taskforce. Not for any political reason--government gets involved in all sorts of things when it comes to the UK--but because the government has the power to support a failing operation.

In the free market, a buisness must get better when it's failing in order to continue existing, but if a government provides funds in place of profits, an inferior operation can get away with being second or third rate. If the task force is backed in that way, I wouldn't expect much from it as 5G progresses.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
3/29/2018 7:34:57 AM
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Re: Government Backing
I hear what you are saying. But i think having goverment engaged early on may help out eventually. I don't mean to say that this way companies get to relax regarding regulations and policies, which is not true. But atleast government is engaged in the whole process and so in future they can't start intervening in the middle with all possibile ways which can cause more damage. Look at what FB is going through now.

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Shaunn
Shaunn
3/29/2018 10:51:05 AM
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Re: Government Backing
I see what you mean. Although there could be room to slack off, the team can still work hard. If they started with only profits to fund their work, receiving government funds later could slow work down as result of less concern for profit and thus urgency.

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batye
batye
4/2/2018 11:28:08 PM
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Re: Government Backing
@Shaunn good point, I could not agree more... as I do see same things happening in Canada... 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/17/2018 12:02:09 AM
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Re: Government Backing
@shaunn:

Absolutely. I wasn't meaning even remotely in sense of possible 'slack off'. My thinking was more towards ease of regulatory restrictions later in the process if Govt is engaged late in the game.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
3/29/2018 5:21:06 PM
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Re: Government Backing
I think in the UK, where a lot of media has traditionally been government backed, they have learned to make things work. In fact, the UK in a lot of ways is far less restricted than we are over here. I still remember my young American shock at seeing my very first "Red Nose Day" ad on a billboard in London. 

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mhhf1ve
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4/9/2018 1:07:04 AM
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Re: Government Backing
The UK market for broadband is definitely unlike the US. There are some sensible regulations that the UK just implements that the US constantly bickers about. Net neutrality is just one example.

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DHagar
DHagar
4/17/2018 7:06:02 PM
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Re: Government Backing
@mhhf1ve, I fully agree with you!  I actually think the EU governance for private data is a good balance and makes sense.  At least they make a "conservative" approach.  And they take into account their need for advancement and quality  of life issues.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/23/2018 8:08:08 AM
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Re: Government Backing
Absolutely, this is exactly what i was referring to. Striking right balance is the key and EU appears to have good hold of that and hence the ease in the process.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
4/17/2018 12:05:04 AM
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Re: Government Backing
@elizabethv:

That is right. I think there is some ease in government restrictions in Uk when compared to US. We keep hearing that in this forum from time to time.

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