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clrmoney
clrmoney
2/22/2018 8:48:58 AM
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5G in Germany
I know a few people and celebrities from Germany so them on 5G just makes it better for them as well as companies advertising and providing it etc.

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DHagar
DHagar
2/22/2018 5:19:49 PM
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Re: Deutsche Telekom 5G Demo
@Sarah, wow!  That is quite impressive.  You can see the strength in the foundation they are putting together - that should put them in "gold medal" contention!

Germany seems to be a leader particularly in the B2B and industrial transformations.

Great report.

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freehe
freehe
2/22/2018 8:49:48 PM
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5G
So Huawei is partnering with Intel and Vodafone to demo 5G?! Interesting. Seems as though Huawei is has a different goal in mind that its partners. Germany has always been technologically advanced. I remember visiting a friend in Germany and she had a high tech baby stroller. She moved back to the U.S. and couldn't find a stroller. It took five years before the U.S. caught up.

Germany even had high-tech electrical outlets that had not yet been designed in the U.S.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/22/2018 11:44:53 PM
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Re: 5G
@freehe You're right. I traveled throughout Europe in the early '80s and I felt like I was on another planet. Switzerland had high-tech cafeteria-type restaurants, and everything seemed like it was run on advanced technology. Even the train system was more advanced. It appeared the citizens of some of those Northern European countries were onto some kind of secret, because they appeared to be living a much better lifestyle than we were in the U.S. And it's probably more that way now than ever.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
2/26/2018 10:12:57 PM
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Re: 5G
@srufolo: The train systems are more advanced in other nations because Americans simply don't like mass transit/taking trains.

There was a recent report about Uber and other ride-sharing services having led to a boom in traffic congestion. The unwritten part of the report was that the reason for this is that many people stateside -- far more individualistically minded than their European counterparts -- would rather sit in their own personal car in bad traffic than sit in a bustling train car even if the latter were faster.

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afwriter
afwriter
2/26/2018 11:13:01 PM
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Re: 5G
@Joe In my personal experience, I love my car and don't really like being without it but after experiencing life in big city Europe I don't think I would have a car there. I actually quite enjoyed being on the train and not having the responsibility of driving. 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
2/27/2018 10:22:09 PM
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Re: 5G
@afwriter: Indeed, different strokes for different folks. A lot of people prefer the train/bus/etc. because of the concentration demanded -- and stress resulting -- from driving. A lot of people prefer driving as a matter of independence.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/28/2018 11:04:18 PM
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Re: 5G
@afwriter - That is such a true statement! I absolutely love my car! I can't imagine living in this country without it. The transit system just isn't on par to allow for sanity and going without a vehicle. But having been in Europe, I could easily live without a car. In fact, I doubt I would consider owning one at all. It was so nice to be able to walk such short distances to get from one place to a train station, get on a train and go to a completely different side of the city. 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
2/26/2018 11:13:14 PM
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Re: 5G
@Joe Stanganelli Yes, Americans, ever the rational thinkers. It's also that the train system in Europe is the most popular way to travel across countries, and it's been perfected for comfort, speed and convenience. Here in the U.S., you can't even get from Long Island to Manhattan without some kind of problem, such as long delays, etc ... Our infrastructure, quite frankly, su-ks. Half the time, we can't even keep the train on the track! And nobody ever appears to want to do anything about the problem, except finger-point. It's a pleasure to take trains in Europe that slice through mountainsides and offer views of cows with tinkling bells in the Swiss countryside. Here, we take a train (or not) just for the drudgery of getting to work or whatever the reason. Therefore, we Americans prefer to be miserable in private.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
2/27/2018 10:28:48 PM
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Re: 5G
@srufolo: Eh, you're speaking to one who prefers driving. I'll still take public transit as reasonable, but it's just awful here (some particular trains/lines more than others) -- made worse by the fact that a lot of the Big Dig debt was transferred to the MBTA (the authority that runs the trains, subway, and buses in the Boston area), making improvements requiring capital expenditures quite few and far between.

(And that's to say nothing of, ahem, allegations of long-standing rampant corruption and incompetence.)

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Michelle
Michelle
2/28/2018 11:03:31 PM
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Re: 5G
Public transit in large communities doesn't have the best reputation. I like to think the problems are because of silly government rules and sluggishness, not corruption. That can't be all true of course.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
3/2/2018 5:22:55 AM
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Re: 5G
@Michelle: Trust me. Political corruption in Boston is a thing. Remember, this is the town that was once effectively run by Whitey Bulger.

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Michelle
Michelle
3/3/2018 7:00:57 PM
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Re: 5G
Tradition lives on, eh? Interestng and sad all at once. I hoped that wouldn't be the case.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
3/11/2018 7:42:45 PM
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Re: 5G
That's a rather general statement--it has to do with commitment by Governments by in large.  If only especially in the United States this was the case--right?

 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/28/2018 10:54:06 PM
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Re: 5G
@srufolo1 - I hope the future of trains in America is a little brighter than the picture you paint. I recently moved to a more remote area of Colorado, but I've been told there is a bullet train coming within a few years that will allow people to get from the airport to a nearby town in 15 minutes. Realistically the idea kind of scares me. And I've been on the train that takes you from London to Paris through the Chunnel. So why it scares me, I'm not so sure. 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
3/1/2018 12:35:48 AM
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Re: 5G
@elizabethv I hope so too. Funny, they can get a bullet train to a remote area of Colorado before they can get broadband to remote areas. And funny you should mention the Chunnel as I was just thinking of it while driving through the Lincoln Tunnel the other day, which I panic every time I do so. I was thinking to myself as the traffic kind of slowed down in the tunnel, I wonder how long it takes to get through the Chunnel, and how people can go through it and keep their sanity. Maybe I feel like I am in a sealled coffin where anything can happen but I don't like tunnels. How was that experience for you in the train through the Chunnel? 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
3/8/2018 10:13:24 PM
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Re: 5G
> "I hope the future of trains in America is a little brighter than the picture you paint."

Meh. I doubt it. American trains are going to need to be completely revamped somehow in order to shake their bad reputation. About the only thing I can think of is a "Hyperloop train" system which would require a completely different boarding system -- more like an airport. That might provide a different enough experience that it wouldn't have the same reputation as traditional American trains.

The current American bus/train system is generally for "poor people" who can't afford their own car -- or a private driver of some kind (either Uber/Lyft or a real chauffeur). 

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freehe
freehe
2/22/2018 8:57:36 PM
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5G in Germany
It took Intel 3 years to develop 5G demos. In took Vodafone 3 months. Although one was a phone call and the other was a basestation - something doesn't add up. I'm curious to know what it took Intel so long so develop their demo (cost, equipment, management support, etc.)?

http://www.telcotransformation.com/author.asp?section_id=688&doc_id=740716

 

 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
2/26/2018 10:10:13 PM
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Re: 5G in Germany
Well, being the first to innovate something and venture into newer territory is genuinely going to take longer and be a harder journey. Besides, Intel is a manufacturer and not a network operator (like Vodafone). The partnerships matter too.

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freehe
freehe
2/22/2018 9:08:38 PM
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Huawei 5G
Huawei has recruited partners to help develop 5G technology. They have a section of their website on how to become a partner.  http://e.huawei.com/en/partner/become-a-partner

They have partnered with Intel, Vodafone, MediaTek, BT, Telfonica, Qualcomm and PLDT to implement 5G. Although it is still hard to determine if Huawei can deploy 5G commercially by the end of 2018. I'm curious to know the results of deploying 5G for the Winter Olympics 2018.

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afwriter
afwriter
2/23/2018 1:14:26 PM
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Interoperability
There is so much to take from this short post but I think the most important thing to note is the importance of Interoperability in technology moving forward. The telco business has changed and will continue to change and working together is speeding along new developments. 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/28/2018 11:01:23 PM
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Re: Interoperability
@afwriter - I think working together is going to revolutionize technology in ways we never imagined. I hope that in time, most systems will be far more compatible with one another than they currently are. With inter-operability we all only really stand to gain. 

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elizabethv
elizabethv
2/28/2018 10:58:57 PM
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5G
I would be interested to know what the trials consisted of eniterly. Perhaps they used various aspects of 5G technology, and that's why the specifics are lacking somewhat. I'm curious if they completed a phone call also, or were they more along the line of app useage. I think phone calls could definitely stand to use an increase in technology more than a few other types of functionality. I like to think I'm satisfied with current internet communication speeds, but I also would imagine in about a decade I'll look back on today's technology similar to the way I currently look back on AOL-type technology. 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
3/8/2018 2:59:29 PM
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Re: 5G
@elizabethv:

"the way I currently look back on AOL-type technology."


So...with fondness? Or with a sense of "I can't believe I put up with that"?

Because I could see either way.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
3/8/2018 10:17:44 PM
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Re: 5G
> "I would be interested to know what the trials consisted of..."

Yes. VoIP tech was supposed to be an improvement over POTS, but... in my experience, the prioritization of VoIP data makes POTS almost sound like an audiophile's phonographic dream. The digital artifacts and dropped packets and lag -- all make VoIP calls nearly intolerable to listen to sometimes. 

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