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clrmoney
1/6/2018 8:26:54 AM
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AT&T Mobile 5G Promise
AT&T has new things that they would like to pursue like the 5G and what is has to offer is more data speed and being a useful and an asset to many businesses as well as customers who will use it.
afwriter
1/6/2018 6:04:21 PM
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AT&T Positioning
<there was no way AT&T could afford to sit by idly for too long or risk losing mind share in the early 5G marketing games>
Personally, AT&T is the first company that comes to mind when I think of 5G deployment, I guess because of their tests in Texas. With how fast technology our attention spans move though, I can see how they want to be in consumer and corporate minds early and often.
Ariella
1/8/2018 12:10:01 PM
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@afwriter They certainly do seem to be fully committed to it. It will be exciting to see what happens.
mhhf1ve
1/8/2018 3:32:26 PM
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All of the carriers are committed to improving their networks for the future. That isn't in question. The uncertainty is how fast they'll do it.. and what standard(s) will emerge in the process.
Ariella
1/8/2018 4:30:18 PM
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@mhhf1ve do you think getting there first will prove a major advantage to a telcom?
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 1:58:02 PM
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> "do you think getting there first will prove a major advantage to a telcom?"
No. Not a "major" advantage. There's always some advantage to being a first mover, but in the telco world, I don't think there is a major advantage to being first in deploying a next-gen network like 5G (unless it's truly revolutionary, which 5G is not). The 5G standards are a pretty big bump in improvement over 4G, but it's not like it's leapfrogging fiber. So ISPs are going to do the same kind of marketing for 5G as they do with fiber -- some call it "fiber to the press release" (FTTPR) where the deployment schedules are highly optimistic and constantly delayed.
Also, the ISPs are all relying on the same vendors for 5G equipment, so it's not like one ISP has some huge unfair advantage over others for deploying their network.
afwriter
1/9/2018 5:57:45 PM
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I'm wondering if it could be a disadvantage in some ways. Would it be possible to let someone else roll out first and learn from/capitalize on their mistakes and findings?
Ariella
1/9/2018 8:24:35 PM
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@afwriter let someone else handle the beta stage of things, you mean? That's the logic behind those among us who do not rush to be early adopters. I'm not sure businesses hang back with quite the same intent. I think that they may delay if they're not sure if some new-gangled thing is just a fad that will quickly fade. I think that was the case of digital currency for many businesses 5-10 years ago. Now even Kodak is jumping on that bandwagon.
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 9:12:15 PM
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> "Now even Kodak is jumping on that bandwagon."
And I see their stock price jumped significantly on that news... which is a bit crazy. But the blockchain bubble is expanding exponentially right now!
Ariella
1/10/2018 9:12:26 AM
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@mhhf1ve oh, yes. When CoinDesk hired me to write about digital currency back in 2013, part of the point was to raise awareness about bitcoin and the potential for paperless payments that are independent of bank systems and fees. Now almost everyone has at least heard of it. In fact, when we had a plumber in on Sunday (dishwasher caued the leak into the basement) he told me that even Long Island Tea enjoyed a stock hike when it announced it would be a blockchain company. See https://www.geek.com/tech/long-island-iced-tea-corp-stock-skyrockets-after-blockchain-rebranding-1726502/
Ariella
1/10/2018 9:15:56 AM
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@mhhf1ve just after I posted that comment, I saw this tweet:
mhhf1ve
1/10/2018 12:04:41 PM
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I saw that Long Island iced tea news... it's a bit crazy. I also saw somewhere that the "market cap" of all cryptocurrencies together is larger than some small countries' GDP now. The thing that I haven't seen... is market solutions for resolving fraud or user complaints regarding cryptocurrency transactions. I thought I read about some bitcoin escrow service, but.. I haven't seen much discussion about many people using it (especially since everyone mostly likes to talk about eliminating middlemen with blockchain tech, not improve middlemen).
Ariella
1/10/2018 12:35:55 PM
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@mhhf1ve blockchain tech is meant to assure authenticity. I'm sure it's not complete fraud-proof, but it can be used to reduce fraud. IBM posted an article on that: https://www.ibm.com/blogs/blockchain/2017/07/blockchain-for-fraud-prevention-industry-use-cases/
mhhf1ve
1/10/2018 1:58:31 PM
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That's the problem I see with widespread adoption of current cryptocurrencies-- there's no customer service. It's a bit of a double edged blade -- there's anonymity like cash, but it also has the problem that cash has of being easily lost without recourse. But even with cash, if you have partially burned or destroyed bills, you can turn it in to the government to try to get some of the value restored for you.
Ariella
1/24/2018 8:54:16 AM
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@mhhf1ve An advantage that it has over standard currency is its universality -- rather like the currency used across the galaxy in Star Trek. I wrote about that years ago here: https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-the-inter-galactic-currency-of-the-future/
mhhf1ve
1/24/2018 12:20:07 PM
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Hmm. The "universality" of bitcoin is a bit problematic, though, if you end up doing business with countries that are banned -- like North Korea or Syria (or Burma, Cuba, Iran, etc). I wonder how Wordpress has avoided legal trouble by accepting bitcoin from anyone?
Just because you *can* do something, doesn't mean you *should* do it....
Ariella
1/24/2018 12:31:30 PM
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@mhhf1ve but isn't the restriction for the countries more than the currency? I mean if they offered to pay another way, would the transaction still be afoul of the law?
If you ever had to deal with payments made from another country -- even just Canada -- you'd have run into hefty fees taken off by the bank that clears those payments that originate in another currency or just from a bank without a US branch. That is where having a currency without borders really makes a huge difference on how much of what they earn comes through the transaction for people. It's also an issue for merchants whose sales are on the small side so that credit card fees cut in significantly.
The reason why bitcoin is not working out well for that is because it has turned into a speculative instrument with roller-coaster movement rather than a steady, dependable form of currency.
batye
1/24/2018 3:45:42 PM
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@Ariella good point in Canada Canadian banks charge hefty fees even if money get transfered from bank to bank in Canada... if from other country you pay through the teeths... the way I see bitcoin is too much hype right now and everyone riding the top wave instead of trying to adopt it as solution... on my end I do not understand Bitcoin... I do not use ot trust it... but it just me...
Ariella
1/24/2018 3:52:07 PM
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@batye I once got a check from Canada for $100 that cost me $8 to cash. That amounts to an 8% fee, which is nearly triple what credit cards charge.
batye
2/1/2018 1:44:29 AM
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@Ariella the way this days is all banks here to make money nicle and dime customers one way or other...
dlr5288
1/31/2018 8:11:52 PM
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Personally, I don’t trust it either. I know there are a lot of people that have invested and believe in Bitcoin. However, I honestly think it’s just a fade that’s popular at the moment.
batye
2/1/2018 1:46:42 AM
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@dlr5288 yes you could be right as depends how you look at it and what other Co. planing ahead on they drawing boards...
dlr5288
2/27/2018 12:40:19 PM
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I’d it blows up into something big then it’ll be a shock to me. I just think people now a days tend to move quickly from one thing to another..
batye
3/1/2018 1:09:41 AM
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@dlr5288 it related to attention span and hype... people tend to follow latest and greatest....
dlr5288
3/27/2018 12:24:41 PM
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I completed agree. I’m guilty of this too! People tend to jump on the hype bandwagon. The most talked about product gets the people’s attention.
batye
4/2/2018 11:50:54 PM
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@dlr5288 yes, but for me it sad people/consumer should be jumping on technology what they value and could improve they life... not on the hype and fab of it...
dlr5288
4/30/2018 1:49:35 PM
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I think it’s important to make your own opinion of a product before listening to everyone else. Maybe it is a good product? But it’s still a good idea to make your own assumptions.
Ariella
2/1/2018 9:24:46 AM
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@dl5288 Some the upper management at Facebook must agree with you. I read that they would restrict ads for digital currency.
dlr5288
2/27/2018 12:41:11 PM
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I heard that somewhere else too! I think it’s already died down so much and it’s only been a couple months since it really blew up!
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 9:10:43 PM
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> "if it could be a disadvantage in some ways..."
Certainly. I highly doubt Apple will be the first to have a 5G-enabled smartphone on the market. Apple is the master of waiting a bit and making sure the user experience is at least decent before making overly hyped statements.
freehe
1/23/2018 9:23:26 PM
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@mhhf1ve. I agree. I don't think any of the top players will meet their target goals. It is too large of an initiative to implement. If they do meet their target goals 5G features will be limited. Security will definitely be a lower priority.
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 2:04:13 PM
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> "Personally, AT&T is the first company that comes to mind when I think of 5G deployment.."
I tend to think that T-mobile will be the first to "consumer" 5G because it's trying to roll out 5G on its newly acquired spectrum. Maybe it will stumble in its 2020 goal to deploy 5G, but I've become somewhat skeptical of AT&T and Verizon's ability to deploy next-gen network tech "on time" according to their own press releases.
http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/t-mobile-ceo-well-leapfrog-atandt-and-verizon-with-mobile-5g/d/d-id/739315
Ariella
1/9/2018 2:38:01 PM
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Well AT&T is claiming that it will roll out 5G this year and says it intends to be first. We'll have to see if any other carrier beats it to the punch.
Ariella
1/9/2018 2:38:02 PM
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Well AT&T is claiming that it will roll out 5G this year and says it intends to be first. We'll have to see if any other carrier beats it to the punch.
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Here is a question for all within the broad context of deliberations here--a question of trust in the end--isn't it?
https://twitter.com/ft/status/930593774975225856
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 3:06:27 PM
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I'm skeptical of "true" 5G rollouts in 2018.. Limited tests are bound to be deployed, but regular consumers aren't even going to have the hardware to use 5G for a while.
Also.. 4G was supposed to allow for 100Mbps when moving and 1Gbps when stationary -- and that isn't exactly what anyone expects from their latest device yet. So... even if 5G arrives early, I'm guessing it'll be a bit slower and less shiny that the press releases have hyped so far.
Ariella
1/9/2018 3:09:19 PM
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@mhhf1ve they also will have the excuse that the supporting equipment and other necessary components aren't yet in place to demonstrate the full potential of 5G's effect.
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 3:21:41 PM
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That's the beauty of the press releases -- they can claim to do anything and create a history that isn't exactly accurate. Then when people do casual searches, they'll just assume that the company press release was true.
Thankfully, Wikipedia and other media outlets don't rely on press releases as source material.... /sarcacm off
Ariella
1/9/2018 3:38:19 PM
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@mhhf1ve really we can't afford to take any statements at face value and always need to corroborate with what we've seen for ourselves and what other people in the field say.
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 4:54:03 PM
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In this era of fake news, that's exactly right. It's always been true but now more than ever.
freehe
1/23/2018 9:27:38 PM
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@Ariella @mhhf1ve, I agree. They will come up with some great excuses about why they couldn't meet their target. Transparency is probably not one of their company core values.
freehe
1/23/2018 9:21:58 PM
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@mhhf1ve. I agree. I think AT&T and Verizon are taking on too large a task and inflating their goals and estimates for 5G to remain on top. It will be interesting to see who implements 5G first and in what country.
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