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clrmoney
clrmoney
1/5/2018 10:35:20 AM
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5G to the Edge
I think we are already making progress with the offers that they have to offer I love the idea of using the 5G for products or services for businesses but I'm sure there will be more to from this in the near future.

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Shaunn
Shaunn
1/5/2018 5:17:46 PM
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Taking 5G to the Edge
Everything is in place for 5G to take the place of 4G except for the tools to put it in place. Sounds like it's only a matter of time before the right tools have been gathered and deployed.

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afwriter
afwriter
1/8/2018 4:46:51 PM
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Re: Taking 5G to the Edge
@Shaunn it sounds like there are going to be some growing pains, but for the most part,  5G deployment is picking up the pace. With the posturing and competition that is going on in the industry, I would not be surprised if we saw functional 5G deployment slightly sooner than predicted (whether it is ready or not) just because the telcos want to get out ahead of everyone else. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/9/2018 1:51:38 PM
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Chicken or the egg problems...?
> "We will need to invest enough on the 5G infrastructure so that customers buy 5G devices and services while simultaneously maintaining the 4G infrastructure."

I've seen some complaints that 5G devices for consumers don't exist -- and won't -- before 5G infrastructure rolls out, so the burden falls on service providers to invest *before* consumers do.... 

 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
1/10/2018 2:37:59 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
mhhf1ve,

Sounds like we are once again on the quest for the killer app (or killer app system or even the killer cloud); there has to be something people will really want that can be done in 5G and con't be done in 4G.   I really don't know what that would be, just yet.  Maybe streaming VR that is fully interactive in real time? Cloud based optimized assistants (like super-Siris or super-Alexas that can draw on the experience of millions of people and simultaneously fold it into the known eccentricities of particular users, in real time -- "Google, I have never felt this way before. Find me a work of art that will help me articulate my feelings" -- ? Individual budget satisfaction optimizers?  

Whatever it is, if it can be cheaply copied into 4G it will be immediately, so it has to be something that actually needs those huge fast data flows and quick-response processing to do its job at all.  Till that comes along, 5G is apt to be a rather limited in scope supertoy.  

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Kishore Jethanandani
Kishore Jethanandani
1/10/2018 3:52:44 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
@JohnBarnes: We are talking about a distinct class of use cases not good-to-have google assistants blabbering about art.One type is massive machine type communications which is something like telehealth which can monitor thousands of remote patients. Or collaborative robotics. Nothing that 4G can accomplish. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/10/2018 7:58:08 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
> "...telehealth which can monitor thousands of remote patients. Or collaborative robotics. Nothing that 4G can accomplish."

@kishore -- hmm. could you explain further why 4G is unable to accomplish some of these tasks? I know teleheath can require data speeds that aren't available with 4G, but we should at least be able to see some versions of these technologies, no?  

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Kishore Jethanandani
Kishore Jethanandani
1/10/2018 8:47:07 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
@mhhfive: Some versions of telehealth already exist but that typically requires patients to come to clinics. Works for rural areas. But if you have to do it, let us say, for a retirement colony close to a metropolitan area with a full suite of services, you are talking something quite different. 

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freehe
freehe
1/23/2018 9:09:12 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
@Kishore Jethanandani, Thanks for the explanation. I was also wondering how 5G will provide benefits that 4G cannot. I suspect that 5G will help further AI, VR and machine learning development that may not be available with 4G.

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vnewman
vnewman
1/10/2018 11:56:56 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
I was actually just reading about this recently. Although I can't remember the source, the article pointed to the necessity of 5G for driverless cars. Although initially the vehicles will be self contained, the need for cars to communicate with each other and their surroundings will be enabled through 5G.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/11/2018 12:59:00 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
> "the necessity of 5G for driverless cars..."

The vehicle-to-infrastructure model for autonomous cars has been in the works for decades (because researchers previously didn't think that the computational capacity to handle autonomous driving could be contained aboard a car...), and for true "level 5" autonomy -- it might be necessary for AVs to have a wireless connection to its environment for maximal safety. 

I'm not so sure 5G is "necessary" for autonomous cars, but it may be a "nice to have" in order to get traffic optimized fully. I think that AVs might exist before 5G infrastructure is fully implemented.... 

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vnewman
vnewman
1/11/2018 4:12:48 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
I do see your point - I do think that the players in the driverless car game envision the type of integration and speed of information transfer made possible by 5G.

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freehe
freehe
1/23/2018 9:11:23 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
@vnewman. I can see why 5G would be needed. There will more a large amount of data that is needed in self-driving cars. Given there are over 220 million drivers in the U.S. that is a lot of data that need to be processed quickly.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
1/31/2018 8:13:54 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
That would be very cool to see. I wonder how long into the future there will be a time when we see cars driving by themselves. It’s an awesome thought.

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freehe
freehe
1/23/2018 9:03:53 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
@JohnBarnes. Good points. I can only see 5G needed during major sporting events like the Olympics, and World Soccer event. I definitely want more speed but don't have a specific need for 5G right now. 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
1/24/2018 7:24:07 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
Freehe, As Kishore rightly pointed out a while ago, it is looking like the big money in 5G will probably be in biz and tech at first, with consumer use developing in areas that acquire 5G early, as an add-on opportunity. The challenge business faces is that they will want to spread the cost to consumers ASAP — before those must-have consumer apps really exist.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
1/10/2018 2:38:01 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
mhhf1ve,

Sounds like we are once again on the quest for the killer app (or killer app system or even the killer cloud); there has to be something people will really want that can be done in 5G and con't be done in 4G.   I really don't know what that would be, just yet.  Maybe streaming VR that is fully interactive in real time? Cloud based optimized assistants (like super-Siris or super-Alexas that can draw on the experience of millions of people and simultaneously fold it into the known eccentricities of particular users, in real time -- "Google, I have never felt this way before. Find me a work of art that will help me articulate my feelings" -- ? Individual budget satisfaction optimizers?  

Whatever it is, if it can be cheaply copied into 4G it will be immediately, so it has to be something that actually needs those huge fast data flows and quick-response processing to do its job at all.  Till that comes along, 5G is apt to be a rather limited in scope supertoy.  

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
1/10/2018 3:55:11 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
Quite correct. I don't see 4K video streaming as the driver for mobile 5G broadband speeds. But perhaps streaming AR/VR has a chance? Personally, I think most people would prefer to have a consistent decent speed (e.g. 8Mbps or so) instead of having spotty signal in some places. "Can you hear me now?" should apply to "broadband" wireless signals, too.

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Kishore Jethanandani
Kishore Jethanandani
1/23/2018 11:13:04 PM
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Re: Chicken or the egg problems...?
@mhhfive: Sorry, I don't hear you. There are two aspects about 5G as far as infrastructure is concerned. One is that it gets deeper into the edge so that it is able to address specific consumer needs and a wider range of them. Hence, the plans for a huge upgrade in the radio network and its virtualization for the very first time. Then you have the sheer volumes of data, latency, and bandwidth. 4G does not come close to doing either of those. And hence the need to invest in the fiber optic network. On the software side, it will be microservices to meet the need for a very wide range of applications.

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