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clrmoney
clrmoney
11/22/2017 10:49:51 AM
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IOT Monetization Strategy
I like IOT/Internet of Things and this 5G data things because we will alwatys need more data keeping up with certain applications or networks. I think that they will come up with a solution to make more money and satifiy the customers al at once.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/23/2017 11:45:27 AM
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Smart Citiies
I read the other day that Bill Gates was talking about building a full smart city in Arizona somewhere, not sure how true that is. If it was the case it would be nice for other municipalities to look to it to see what is working and what isn't.

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 6:48:33 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@afwriter, I would move far away from any smart city. It reminds me of the movie "I, Robot". Technology advances are great. However I always worry about what happens when technology goes wrong - bugs, glitches, failed upgrades, interoperability, device malfunctioning, etc.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/23/2017 7:06:21 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@Freehe, I don't completely disagree with you and it worries me sometimes that we rely too much on technology. That being said, I like the idea of a smart city in a controlled environment so we can learn from it and hopefully weed out some of those bugs and glitches. 

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dcawrey
dcawrey
11/24/2017 6:33:04 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
It would seem the SaaS model will fit really well with IoT. Some providers such as Verizon are going with that model, planning to take a cut on data throughput in addition to setup fees and service. It's all about figuring out what they customer will pay for to make IoT successful. 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
11/26/2017 3:14:52 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@afwriter, @freehe:

Very much in agreemnet with both of you. If we think about today we are too depnedant on technology that we have no clue if something goes haywire with technology. I would like to bring up a very simple example from daily routene. After we got used to this GPS on phones, many times we just get on road without checking the address and directions. For some reason if there is an issue with GPS or phone we are stuck. I always prefer to explore the map / direction beforehand to have an idea atleast. This is just one simple example. There could be many more , even more serious impactful ones that we need to be midful about.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
11/27/2017 6:43:58 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@ms.akkineni Even the the GPS in cars doesn't give correct directions. When I was taking a trip for my niece's wedding I was having trouble with the GPS in my car. So I called my sister and she got us off at the correct exit just in the nick of time. When I told her I consulted a "TripTik" (a map the AAA creates for you) first before even venturing out, she was laughing so hard and telling all her kids that her aunt was using a TripTik. She got a kick out of that. I happen to like the challenge of reading a paper map. 

 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
12/18/2017 4:13:26 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@srufolo1:

I hear you, your experience doesn't surprise me at all.

Till date i never drove to any new destination without going over directions beforehand. I always make sure i go over directions first to familiarize myself and then i will follow GPS for guidance. That way at least i know where i am heading to. I can never just blindly follow GPS. My teenage son thinks i am weird. There could be many others that may think the same. But that is not my problem, i need to be comfortable in what i am doing.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
12/18/2017 11:48:56 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@ms.akkineni I understand that mentality completely. It's never a good idea to put complete trust in a device, such as a GPS. I know that when I program an address that I know exactly where the location is, the GPS will consistently tell me to bear right, when I know it's definitely a left. So I think it's always good to use those manual tools as well. Guess your son would think I'm weird too.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
12/19/2017 3:00:15 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@srufolo1:

Ha Ha..that happens all the time with GPS when we are driving to a familiar location and at times that annoys. I must say that GPS is very useful tool and it is driving entire human force, no denial about that. I personally would feel confortable to use that with some pre due diligence at my end.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
12/27/2017 6:49:33 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@ms.akkineni No doubt that the GPS is a most useful device and I've used it consistently to find places I had no clue where they were. I just said a little prayer that it wouldn't screw up when I was driving to someplace unfamiliar.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
12/30/2017 10:56:49 AM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@srufolo1:

You are not alone. It has become a very common practice lately and it absolutely works perfect. It's just me who feels not so comfortable doing that as i am paranoid to drive to new / unknown places.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
12/30/2017 9:25:12 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
GPS has become super advanced recently! I think it makes things super easy to get from place to place. Even the map app on the iPhone makes things very easy!

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
1/21/2018 3:25:11 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@dlr5288:

I do not disagree a bit. I know the entore dynamics have changed because of how GPS or navigation systems in general have become super powerful these days. In the past people atleast use to bother about knowing the place or area that they have to go before stepping into teh car. These days people only look it up after hitting the road. Somehow i can't do that. I am not comfortable if i don't look it up in advance. This is just my personal preference.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
1/25/2018 10:51:34 AM
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Re: Smart Citiies
Yes I understand! It definitely has made people less likely to actually figure out exactly where they’re going. But because of the easiness of it, many people just get in their car, pop in an address and they’re off!

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
1/25/2018 11:12:23 AM
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Re: Smart Citiies
I know, that is exactly what is happening these days with GPS.

But again it works for many people. So everyone adapted it so quickly. Personally for me i feel so anxious to drive just by following GPS to an unfamiliar place.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
1/25/2018 2:17:31 PM
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And it’s even on the phones now. Which makes it that much easier for everyone. It’s literally right at their fingertips!

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
1/25/2018 4:16:56 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
Yup, that is like the icing on cake. You have it with you all the time and absolutely no pre-planning required.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
1/29/2018 4:19:59 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
I definitely agree with you though. It’s way more safe tomplan ahead and know what area you’re heading to before you get in the car.

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Michelle
Michelle
11/25/2017 4:35:03 PM
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Re: Smart Citiies
I saw something about that too. If true, would this be a real city or some test site? People working on the test site will experience smart city features a bit differently than a regular person might.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/25/2017 4:50:16 PM
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That's true,  something won't go wrong for people working on it and testing it, it's going to go wrong someone walking down the street on a random Tuesday afternoon. ,It's like when you can't find something so you ask someone else to look and then it's just right there in the middle of the living room.

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Michelle
Michelle
11/28/2017 1:57:36 PM
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Depending on the services provided, testing in a real life city could have interesting and possibly dangerous consequences. I think I'm fully investested in the outcome of this project. I really want to know what happens next!!

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elizabethv
elizabethv
11/28/2017 9:17:08 AM
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Re: Smart Citiies
@afwriter - I had seen the same article. And as a native Arizonan, I'm extremely curious about where he plans to build this smart city. Is he going to really show his bravado and pick an area where there is literally nothing, or is he going to go for a suburb of say, Phoenix or Tucson and tap off their water sources? Since, being a desert and all, water is really the big key when you start to talk habitation. And then the topic quickly needs to move to shade, shelter and cooling down of the environment. Because Arizona is only getting hotter, for longer periods of time. (Their winter is down to the months of December and January. And it wasn't like that when I was growing up.) I'd imagine if anyone can do it, he can though. Still an odd location.

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 6:38:12 PM
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Monetization Strategy
"The monetization of IoT involves some steps that are not familiar to operators. One key target -- manufacturing -- requires that the mobile network operator (MNO) convince clients to trust wireless platforms for mission-critical tasks formerly performed by wired networks, according to Julian Watson, the senior principal analyst of Internet of Things (IoT) connectivity research at IHS Markit."

Gaining trust from potential clients is a huge battle. IoT operators will have to show that they have effective security measures in place to convince enterprises to move from wired to wireless platforms.

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 6:41:22 PM
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IoT Smart Cities
"Watson told Telco Transformation that smart cities are an opportunity, but present challenges. The smart city concept can be a hard sell and election results can lead to reordered priorities. In general, Watson said, the technology is ready and a number of carriers are doing innovative things."

There are many benefits that IoT can provide for cities to help them transform to smart cities. There are several challenges including bureaucracy, elected political officials agendas, lobbyists, and infrastructure/technology challenges.

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 6:44:39 PM
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IoT Integration
Autonomous cars that allow drivers to communicate with their smart homes is great for the market that wants that feature. However, what happens when the technology fails, a bug or glitch occurs or a software upgrade results in service degration. This also provides a huge new market for hackers. People not even hackers can already tap into a smart car and unlock the car doors, etc.

Strong security measures will have to be implemented otherwise this is a huge risk to homeowners.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/26/2017 10:47:40 PM
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It could be a nightmare if there was a glitch. I always enter and exit my house through my garage door and all other outside doors stay locked, the other day the power went out when I wasn't home and when I came home I was locked out of the house because I couldn't get in the garage. Something like that could happen on a whole other level when you start adding software into the mix. 

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Ariella
Ariella
11/27/2017 2:58:07 PM
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@afwriter Indeed, that is a major problem. Did you have to wait for power to be restored to get into your house, or were you able to climb through an open window or something like that/

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afwriter
afwriter
11/27/2017 11:58:27 PM
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I had no recourse but to wait. It makes you feel helpless and out of control, I couldn't imagine being held hostage by a hacker. 

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Ariella
Ariella
11/28/2017 9:14:31 AM
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@afwriter Yes, I think I do recall an incident in which hackers locked people out of their hotel rooms to demand ransom. I don't recall if the hotel paid or not, though.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/29/2017 1:28:26 PM
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I know that it is a ridiculous fiction television show, but the Fall finale of Grey's Anatomy *spoiler alert* saw the entire hospital being hacked and held hostage for bitcoin. While fiction, the idea came from somewhere and it is a deeply terrifying idea that a semi-skilled hacker could put peoples lives at risk for some bitcoin. 

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Michelle
Michelle
11/29/2017 1:38:35 PM
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Isn't that plot line pulled from real headlines? Several hospitals and hospital systems have been hit with ransomware. It's good to know something like this is being written into hit shows.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
11/27/2017 4:05:03 PM
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Re: IoT Integration
All this bluetooth and broadband connecitivity could make one nervous. How secure are these channels? What stops someone from sniffing them? Even wired connections could prove problematic... 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
11/27/2017 6:38:35 PM
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Re: IoT Integration
@freehe You make a good point. It could be an extremely dangerous situation the coupling of autonomous cars allowing drivers to communicate with their smart homes. Security is a huge concern here. It would be a good idea to get the autonomous car technology working first. 

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freehe
freehe
11/23/2017 6:46:46 PM
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Smart Cities
Smart cities also provide more opportunities for "big brother" to watch everything people do. Anything that you look at has the potential to look at you.

This is moving the country farther away from a democracy and more towards a socialist or communist country.

What will be done with all this IoT data and how will it be secured.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
11/27/2017 6:50:23 PM
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IoT Monetization
It really is a shame that the U.S. is so far behind with the smart city concept. In Europe, places like Barcelona are at the forefront of smart-city technology. We need to get over our fears and just do it. 

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afwriter
afwriter
11/28/2017 12:01:39 AM
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@srufulo1 That is interesting to know. I am visiting Barcelona at the start of the year so I look forward to seeing that technology put to use. 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
11/28/2017 12:09:51 PM
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Re: IoT Monetization
@afwriter  And apparently, from what I've been reading about Barcelona over the years, they control garbage collection, lights, parking, etc ..., and they are even trying to make it better because they truly want to improve the lives of their citizens. That's what the U.S. has to really start thinking about -- its citizens. Have a great time in Barcelona. It's one place I want to visit, but I know plenty of people who have gone and just loved it!

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elizabethv
elizabethv
11/28/2017 9:20:35 AM
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Re: IoT Monetization
@srufolo1 - Your two posts together are almost ironic. You state the GPS in cars isn't always accurate, but then also state we just need to make the move to smart cities. I see the differentation, but I also see similarities. To some extent, please correct me if I'm wrong, I believe what you are stating is that there are going to be bugs, but we can work through them and we just need to move forward. And while I can certainly appreciate the thought. The control freak in me panics at the thought of hackers keeping me locked out of my house. Or an autonomous vehicle not seeing a white semi-truck in the glare of the sun and sending me propelling forward to my unstoppable death. Nope. Nope. Nope. 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
11/28/2017 10:50:19 PM
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Re: IoT Monetization
@elizabethv: Indeed, maybe before we move to "Smart Cities," we need to first figure out how to do things smartly. Municipalities have a lot of dumb bureaucracy as it is, and no amount of technology can ever change that.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
11/29/2017 9:14:24 AM
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Re: IoT Monetization
@Joe - Oh, our redundant bureaucracy is without a doubt at this point a cemented-in aspect of our government. But they aren't the only problem in the equation, since people have also pretty well proven as of late their sincere lack of intelligence. And I don't foresee that changing any time soon either. Smart Cities would have to be programmed to overcome the human tendency to act like stupidly. 

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srufolo1
srufolo1
11/29/2017 10:18:18 AM
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Re: IoT Monetization
@elizabethv  Smart cities are intended to take the burden off our shoulders for being stupid and miraculously convert us from the dolts we are into intelligent, thinking human beings, or at least to reflect upon the stupidity of how we did things in the past. Maybe "smart" is not the proper term. Maybe something like "digital" cities or "collaborative" cities that work with municipalities, governments, and schools so there will never again be piles of stinking garbage, or people roaming around in cars looking for parking spots, or someone that has no access to education. All in all, I think it's the wave of the future, and the U.S. can't get there because of all the bureaucracy.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
11/30/2017 4:54:35 AM
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Re: IoT Monetization
@srufolo1 - You make an interesting pointing, people driving around parking lots looking for a parking space. I have to wonder, if driving - and by extension parking - were all automated, and the automated car parked too far away from the store, would the person driving the car ask to be relocated? My husband and I make a game of taking a parking space further away than a person sitting waiting for a close space, and then walking by them as they still sit waiting and we head into the store. People just can't walk the extra 10 feet it seems to park right away, and they would rather waste sometimes more than 5 minutes than to just walk. It's insane.

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Michelle
Michelle
11/29/2017 1:39:35 PM
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Agree. Policies and political moves get in the way of much. Clearing out some of the mess could be a big help.

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vnewman
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11/29/2017 1:58:21 PM
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@Joe - Couple that with the fact that *most* municipalities are slow to adopt any new technologies because of all the bureaucracy, red tape, lack of funding, and regulations they must follow before implementing anything - for many places, the Smart City is a very long way off.

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Joe Stanganelli
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11/30/2017 2:08:37 PM
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@vnewman: And, in big cities like Boston, there's also a lot of pressure to use unions (sometimes unlawful pressure (link)) -- which only adds to the bureaucracy and ability to adopt new technologies.

Unions have also been up in arms over municipality-hastened Google Fiber installations in the past. (See my take for one of Telco Transformation's sister sites here: link)

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Ariella
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11/29/2017 3:41:24 PM
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<Municipalities have a lot of dumb bureaucracy as it is, and no amount of technology can ever change that.> @Joe, Indeed, if anything it gets worse over time as regulations keep increasing. I took a tour of the Brooklyn Bridge this Sunday (and walked it for the first time). The guide brought up some things that would have definitely posed a problem for today's standards. Yet the bridge stands strong over a century after it was built while construction that is much newer and more regulated than that falls apart.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
11/30/2017 5:08:08 AM
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Re: IoT Monetization
@Ariella - I have to wonder if the reason older construction seems to last long has a lot more to do with quality of materials and pride in craftmanship. Today materials are made to be thrown away after a certain period of time, to continue to line the pockets of the manufacturers, and pride of craftmanship has gone with the wind. One might say. Regulations protect us from companies cutting corners, or dumping waste water into our drinking water. Without those regulations, problems like we have in Flint, Michigan could be tenfold worse. Look at the real story of Erin Brokovich, where the use of a chemical in pipes caused drinking water to become contaminated and cause cancer. While not perfect, regulations do help to prevent things like this from happening on a continual basis. 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
11/30/2017 2:26:55 PM
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Good points! I think that’s a solid opinion and I agree. Why does older construction seem to last longer? Maybe because they didn’t cut as many corners. Or because of different material, time spent, etc.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
11/29/2017 10:27:38 AM
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Re: IoT Monetization
@elizabethv As yourself, I also do not like the idea of autonomous cars. I can barely stand it when some other human being is behind the wheel of a car, such as when I am in an Uber, but the GPS system and its glitches I don't think are  a good comparison to the smart city. Maybe it was just MY GPS because the "maps" in it weren't updated. And if anyone can tell me how to update maps in a GPS system I have hanging from my visor, I would like to know. As I recall, that wasn't the problem that day. When I was finally pulled over, my sister "smartly" told me what was wrong, and I needed to go to preferences and program something. In any event, yes, I think we need to go forward and work out the bugs as we go along, otherwise we will never progress. When the Romans built the sewer system (or whoever was responsible for that), I am wondering if they ever thought what the consequences would have been had there been a glitch.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
11/28/2017 10:48:25 PM
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SoftBank + Smart Cities
Considering how SoftBank is leveraging its tech in this space, as Watson comments on, could you imagine if SoftBank's 70-cents-on-the-dollar deal for Uber gets accepted?!? What a Smart Cities boon that would be!

I think it will be rejected, of course...but with all the regulatory and brand troubles the company is having now, it might well be a very smart exit.

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