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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/9/2017 10:24:46 AM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
mhhf1ve,

The great advantage of oligarchic systems is that they get stupid -- and more and more reliant on repression -- over time, so there are periodic crises. Admittedly, we aren't going to fix IP tomorrow, or even next year. But sooner or later some major nation or industry is going to find itself boxed and blocked so extensively that it will find it has to cross that line and break the rules openly and publicly. And when it does happen, the IP laws will once again be revealed as the weak reed they are (and always have been; most of the world's patent law didn't matter a whit to the old Soviet Union, and foreign copyright means essentially nothing in Russia and China today). Authority always stands on a slippery rug.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/8/2017 11:47:03 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
Re-hauling the IP legal system isn't going to happen anytime soon -- if ever. Lawmakers have no interest in making it less favorable to powerful media giants. And consumers have little voice in standing against the media conglomerates that push for ever longer copyrights. The result seems to arc toward a worldwide IP system that is "harmonized" with the Mickey Mouse interests.

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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
11/8/2017 10:38:58 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
The messages, as I caught up on the discourse with all, was simply this--the need to be fair to content providers is vital--even to the folks at RT because as I understand it, over 1000 articles were taken from it and posted by InfoWars.    

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/8/2017 10:23:32 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
mhhf1ve,

Yes, absolutely. I think the Mickey Mouse Rule (copyright law will always change to keep Mickey Mouse or any significant Disney IP from ever going public domain) has done immense damage to any reasonable idea of IP.

It would really not be difficult to figure out a fairer, more effective way to assess how long copyright, patent, and trademark terms ought to be; costs, benefits, probabilities, expected times -- banks and venture capitalists assess that kind of problem all the time for estimating probable ROI, and though they make mistakes, they are able to capture a large part of the value and stay in business.  This would of course mean re-visioning IP from the starting point, but I suspect the social value of an IP system that made sense (and was mostly complied with because it did) would more than pay for the hard thinking and difficult bargaining it would take.

 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/8/2017 4:45:21 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
I've seen proposals for blockchain tech to register digital files like songs or images. So I don't see any reason why not, but then again, I haven't seen widespread adoption either. But widespread adoption might be hindered by non-tech savvy artists? Perhaps some stock photo databases could offer it someday?

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Ariella
Ariella
11/8/2017 3:44:32 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
@mhhf1ve and that would extend even to posted images? I thought that was more of a thing to distinguish genuine products from their countefeits, as in components of electronics.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/8/2017 3:05:16 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
> "This is why many photographers who want to show off their work online now put in watermarks."

True, but at some point, watermarks will have to evolve -- because there are algorithms that can remove them now. There have been blockchain-based methods that attempt to eliminate counterfeit works by registering them in a distributed public ledger.... 

https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/18/16162108/google-research-algorithm-watermark-removal-photo-protection

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/8/2017 3:02:11 PM
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Re: Watching the defectives
Bitcoin doesn't guarantee anonymity at all, but as I understand it, other cryptocurrencies do by design. However, I'm not convinced that such cryptocurrencies will get stable use -- unless more governments start to intensely regulate or track cryptocurrencies. I think Ether and other cryptocurrencies may have to build on being "legitimate" currencies -- and anonymity isn't really a selling feature for that kind of branding.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/8/2017 2:54:04 PM
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Re: Watching the defectives
@mhhf1ve I suppose that wold make it more difficult to trace. Bitcoin -- contrary to what some people think -- does leave a trail and so would not guarantee anonymity.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
11/8/2017 2:51:33 PM
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Re: Watching the defectives
> "Aren't people who subscribe to illegal sites also considered to be breaking the law? If they do so with credit cards -- as is nearly always the case for online services -- they are easily traceable."

I haven't personally subscribed to any illegal sites, but I know that if these users are paranoid enough, there are prepaid cards that act as credit cards that can be essentially untraceable. So it's not that easy to "track down" some users. And if anyone really wanted to track them down -- there's also IP addresses (as long as uses don't use certain VPNs...).

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