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Michelle
Michelle
11/7/2017 1:50:46 PM
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Re: Support & service
That's the big question - how long will it all last? Do they get any additional value beyone the one-time purchase?

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afwriter
afwriter
11/7/2017 1:01:19 PM
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Re: Watching the defectives
The only problems there though are 1. I'm not sure what the legality is of them using your data to suspect you of a crime and 2. There are some legal sites like YouTube and Crackle that will continuously play if you leave them on.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/6/2017 3:13:35 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
@JohnBarnes well, if they really went to the trouble of buying it ... Were any of them smart enough to cheat intelligently? In other words did a student who was doing C level work realize that it would be more credible to hand in a B paper than an A one? From what I understnad the sites that make papers to order take that into account.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/6/2017 3:04:29 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
Ariella,
Yeah, and when i was last teaching, in 2015, it was quite clear that the "text is just there" attitude was gaining ground; many students really did not see why they had to hand in pages written by them; you were supposed to get your A for turning in a paper, which they did. Besides, you went to all the effort of buying it or finding it online!


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Ariella
Ariella
11/6/2017 2:31:46 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
@JohnBarnes what students don't realize at times is that if the instructors have seen their writing and are actually paying attention (as I was) they will notice if something handed it has a distinctly different style. In case, a student told me she just copied straight out of a book. Another got his girlfriend to write for him. While the latter may not have been a legal infringement -- as he clearly got her cooperation -- it still wasn't considered acceptable. Unfortunatley, though, the impression I get from my own kids' college experience is that today standards are far more lax. Anyone who does just about anything will get a top level grade for writing.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
11/6/2017 2:24:54 PM
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Re: Piracy is Killing
VNewman, batye, Ariella,

Ariella can probably back me up with many more examples, but teaching humanities classes I was always surprised, over and over again,  to discover a sizable minority of students (college students, mind you, so in the US, somewhere in the upper half of students academically) who seemed to be unable to grasp the idea that a text, video, piece of music, etc. are something made rather than something that is just somehow there. In public speaking classes, whenever IP has been a current enough issue (copy protection for music, jailbreaking free software downloads, using art in memes without permission) it was equally clear that many students really regard the fans as the "owners" of the music ("those guys in the band just play the songs, we're the ones that make them hits") and that rules about plagiarism were regarded as an odd nuisance to work around because, as one student said, "I'm just taking their facts and their words, if their facts are true, why should they get credit for it?"

So to be blunt, I don't think there's any hope at all of persuading people that they are stealing when they are  using something that they don't regard as property and leaving it right where it is for everyone else to use anyway.

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Adi
Adi
11/6/2017 11:14:53 AM
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Re: Food for Thought
Thanks, afwriter. I think the problem is that not all consumers will understand that's what is happening. They could just blame the ISP or even some other content provider rather than the pirated service.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/6/2017 10:46:27 AM
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Food for Thought
@Adi Fantastic (and funny) article as always. Thanks for the excellent food for thought. I wonder if phantom bandwidth usage would detour some would be pirates. I know that with my current internet service I have a data cap which I feel a lot of ISPs are moving toward. Constant streaming may end up costing someone with a data cap more than just having a Netflix or Hulu subscription

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afwriter
afwriter
11/6/2017 10:39:32 AM
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Re: Support & service
I guess it is an exercise in "you get what you pay for."

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afwriter
afwriter
11/6/2017 10:38:04 AM
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Re: Watching the defectives
I could be wrong but I think as long as people are streaming the content and not actually downloading it to own, they are not breaking any laws. It is the servers/sites that hold the illegally streamed content that are breaking all the laws. 

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