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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/30/2017 2:21:53 PM
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Point of Statistical Order
I'm wondering how much of rising expenditures on security are because of increasing numbers of threats, and how much are because of simple expansion of the number of devices and users?

By analogy to physical security: if you are a lock manufacturer, and you are making more every year, that might be because there are more burglars (i.e. more threats) or it might be because there are more buildings (i.e. more doors and windows). 

I was just realizing that we see the increasing expenditures on security figures all the time, but it's not clear what the mixture is of new places that need security or of added security threats to existing places. Has anyone seen anything that tries to disentangle those issues?

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
10/30/2017 4:35:19 PM
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Re: Point of Statistical Order
@John.B:

Here is what i think. It is the combination of both - security additions for new places as per the needs and applying enhancements to the existing security. For the second option, the reason is pretty obvious. As the industry experiences a new breach / hack all companies become alert and try to follow the ins and out of that incident and try to appropriately enhance their models proactively.

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afwriter
afwriter
10/30/2017 5:56:16 PM
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Re: Point of Statistical Order
I think that it is a mixture of both but definitely, more about more access points than ever before and that number continues to rise. Of course, the more lucrative cybercrime becomes the more cybercriminals there will be, but it is going to become more lucrative because we are adding so many more access points in our lives from personal and industrial IoT to an ever increasing amount of connected mobile devices.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
10/30/2017 6:02:16 PM
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Re: Point of Statistical Order
@afwriter:

Agree with you. You brought up a very good point. Adding more access points certainly are adding more prone areas for security. And we have seen substantial growth in introducing more accesspoints and that justifies.

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Michelle
Michelle
10/30/2017 10:37:41 PM
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Re: Point of Statistical Order
So we're looking at a "death by a thousand cuts" situation with security? Cyber crime as a service is apparently big business on the ol' dark webbbb. Bad guys are innovating all the time so the fight will only get more complicated.

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vnewman
vnewman
10/30/2017 11:10:08 PM
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Re: Point of Statistical Order
@JohnBarnes - just to add to your speculation, it could also be the mere perception of increasing numbers of threats and hyper-awareness of the issue because of the high-profile cases of late. In one word: Panic To liken it to the physical world - there’s been a string of burglaries and thefts, let’s put up gates, buy cameras, post signs, install alarms, start a neighborhood watch etc etc.

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Ariella
Ariella
10/31/2017 10:21:39 AM
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Re: Point of Statistical Order
<By analogy to physical security: if you are a lock manufacturer, and you are making more every year, that might be because there are more burglars (i.e. more threats) or it might be because there are more buildings (i.e. more doors and windows).  

I was just realizing that we see the increasing expenditures on security figures all the time, but it's not clear what the mixture is of new places that need security or of added security threats to existing places. Has anyone seen anything that tries to disentangle those issues?>

@JohnBarnes Good question, the figures don't reveal if the spend is additional to existing, though likely at least part of it is. I got the impression that it is rather like people's natural response to hearing about a fire that caused major damage. They would check on their smoke alarms, likely buy new ones, and perhaps even (as I did once myself) buy additional fire safety items like an extinguisher and a blanket to put out kitchen fires. 

Of course, there are other factors at play, as well, including new regulations. But reactions ot breaches are noted in articles like this one: http://www.healthcareitnews.com/news/high-profile-breaches-drive-data-security-spending-75b-0

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/31/2017 9:48:57 PM
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Re: Point of Statistical Order
VNewman, Ariella,

Yeah, that's the thing I'm finding interesting -- is that I don't think I've seen anyone anywhere actually trying to disentangle it.  And besides number of targets and number of bad guys and amount of news coverage, there's also efficacy; technical advances being what they are, no doubt every a smaller number of bad guys are able to do a larger number of bad things per unit time and per target, and probably security is similarly improving in an arms-race kind of way.  Clearly we're nowhere near an endpoint but I'm wondering where we are on those four curves -- soon to be six or ten, I suspect, since everyone keeps thinking of more.

And yet I don't see any articles that actually tackle that issue, not even in the more highly technical media. Seems like a missed opportunity for some publication somewhere ...

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clrmoney
clrmoney
10/30/2017 2:35:42 PM
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More Cloud and Security Concerns
I will always say more security when dealing online with cloud , but cloud has a lot to offer when it comes to networking etc. I think it is important that we have mote security because things are getting more digita,l technical and advanced for hackers, but you always have to stay ahead of the game.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
10/30/2017 4:39:57 PM
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Visibility & Vulnerability
Because they see all these breaches reported on the news, the customers' primary concern is "I don't know what I don't know." It's possible to have a vulnerability exploited for months that customer didn't even know was there. That's what scares them the most. They want to increase visibility into their networks and identify their points of vulnerability.

This has been the primary concern of today's customers especially after the latest episodes of Equifax and other companies where they manager to keep the whole thing hush hush for the longest period.

What AT&T is offereing here 'Cyber security consulting service' sounds pretty interesting, got to see how that practically translates into works.

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vnewman
vnewman
10/30/2017 10:56:10 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
Wow. I must say this article threw me for a loop. I expected to be reading about the measures ATT implements to secure its own customers but it looks as if ATT is making a push to get into the Cybersecurity game as a player. I suppose they have resources and infrastructure in place to make it a natural next step. Perhaps we will soon see them buying out a company like Cisco did with CloudLock.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
10/31/2017 8:09:39 AM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@vnewman:

Absolutely, AT&T is trying to push themselves into security space. You are spot on about saying they have infrastructure and resource. They must also have good amount of expertise from their own security models. So it wouldn't surprise me to see new moves by AT&T into this space in near future.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
10/31/2017 1:45:21 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
Well said. I think AT&T not only bring a great service to their customers, but they always seem to have room to grow. In a positive way. They’re always trying something new and different, and even if it does fail, at least they’re trying.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
10/31/2017 3:44:22 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
You can't deny cloud is a game changer. But I think deployment models have changed quite a bit since its advent. At this point, it is important to take into account concepts like hybrid and private cloud. These are way more secure if you ask me.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
10/31/2017 7:02:54 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
You’re right. The Cloud definitely changes the game. It does bring about a lot of positive changes, but the security on the Cloud is such a huge risk to many people and businesses.

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afwriter
afwriter
11/4/2017 10:37:59 AM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@dlr5288 You are absolutely right. My only concern is they will eventually stretch themselves too thin with what they are doing and someone (or something) somewhere will drop the ball and cause a security concern. 

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batye
batye
11/5/2017 4:54:07 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@afwriter yes it could happens and I see it happens before with some Co. and security get affected at the end one way or other... 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
11/15/2017 1:12:05 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
That’s very true. I hope there can be some sort of compromise with security and the Cloud and we can have a happy medium.

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freehe
freehe
12/25/2017 10:50:08 AM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@dlr5288. I agree. Virtualization helps companies respond to issues faster, save money and scale. Virtualization also helps companies implement security solutions and respond to security threats much faster which helps to improve customer satisfaction and makes shareholders happy.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
12/26/2017 12:25:24 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
Definitely a big help with security. Some times it’s easy to say that virtualization brings about complications. However, there are many instances where it helps bring about positive change.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
11/15/2017 3:06:59 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@dlr5288:

Yes, no doubts that AT&T is growing and has room even further...so can try various things, may not necessarily succeed in all. Atlease they are trying and most importantly customers buy in that and would stick on. I believe that is true because of the role customer service plays in retention.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
11/20/2017 5:37:30 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
Agreed. I don’t think all their new trials will be successful. But at least they’re trying and doing something others aren’t. That speaks well with consumers.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
11/25/2017 12:14:39 AM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@dlr5288:

Absolutely, try out something new is very important. And not every attempt may end up with good results, but surely would leave good experieces and lot of lessons learnt. And all that would become good basis for future attemts. Consumers get to see all of that.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
11/27/2017 4:08:11 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
Definitely! Failed attempts will help a business learn more than successes. It’s important to know what not to do too.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
12/21/2017 12:52:44 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
Yes, certainly those experiences are helpful if analyzed and used right. We need to identify gaps that contributed for a failed attempt and start thinking about how to fill that gap to prevent the same experience to repeat.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
12/21/2017 9:07:55 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
Exactly. We have to be able to see what went wrong and make sure that we don’t have any more problems with it. Failing is a great learning process.

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freehe
freehe
12/25/2017 10:55:28 AM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@ms.akkineni. I agree. The numbers that AT&T produces from their threat management platform are amazing. Looking at 5 billion security events every 10 minutes. If all companies using their solution there would be less threats to companies and customers. This would also reduce churn, increase customer satisfaction and provide more stable networks.

 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
12/26/2017 1:36:30 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@freehe:

Wow, those stats are amazing.

Thta would be an ideal situation for companies to use similar solutions to prevent threats and hacks. Eventually end goag for everyone remains the same - to have stable and secure network and that would lead to increased satisfied customers.

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freehe
freehe
12/25/2017 10:53:10 AM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
@dlr5288. I agree. If all companies took that approach to hire a company like AT&T do perform an assessment to identify their risks. Then determine what is needed to address those risks, then purchase a multi-layered product to address the risks companies would be more stable and would be in a better position to handle risks and threats.

 

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dlr5288
dlr5288
12/26/2017 12:26:45 PM
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Re: Visibility & Vulnerability
Well said. It’s all about realizing a threat and how to go about it from there. How to fix it and to do it in a timely manner.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/31/2017 9:54:51 PM
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Another sidepoint, glad to see someone say the old tradeoff is over
The point that convenience, flexibility, and security are not in a three way tradeoff anymore is probably profound in its implications. Because the potential loss from a security breach was always so high, effectively it forced a tradeoff between flexibility and convenience that meant many technically feasible, desirable features couldn't be offered. That problem is rapidly coming to an end; there's a big backlog of things, especially in shared and collaborative software, that should come surging out soon.

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Ariella
Ariella
11/1/2017 10:08:09 AM
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Re: Another sidepoint, glad to see someone say the old tradeoff is over
@JohnBarnes, What you say is true about disentangling, but I don't know if we'll see anyone puruse it. Generally, businesses are content to leave correlations as causation in cases like this, simply acknowledging that there are some other factors. It's true of other correlations, as well. Life can be very complex, so it is difficult to trace the one true cause of something and be positive that there were not other pressures at play at the same time.

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batye
batye
11/1/2017 11:25:01 PM
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Re: Another sidepoint, glad to see someone say the old tradeoff is over
@Ariella the way I see it it constant trade off as it not an easy or simple process gather right data and use it right to figure it out correctly  as everything is in motion... 

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freehe
freehe
12/25/2017 10:42:12 AM
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Security Risk
"It's possible to have a vulnerability exploited for months that customer didn't even know was there. That's what scares them the most. They want to increase visibility into their networks and identify their points of vulnerability."

With this knowledge companies should be running to purchase security solutions. What companies fail to factor in is that it costs more money to be reactive - fix problems after they occur, than to be proactive and implement preventive measures. The risks increases exponentially after problems occur.

 

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freehe
freehe
12/25/2017 10:44:28 AM
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Solution
Glad to hear an executive state there is no one-size-fits-all solution. Many companies believe there is and run into problems later.

 

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freehe
freehe
12/25/2017 10:44:54 AM
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Assessments
Assessment are so critical to selecting a solution or product. It is also critical that companies identify their business requirements and specific needs to find the right product. However a product may not meet all of their needs but using a mixed solution with help them to meet more of their needs.

 

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freehe
freehe
12/25/2017 10:47:07 AM
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Scaling
Many companies neglect to conduct capacity planning to determine how to scale their businesses. Some hardware provides scaling features but some lack scaling.

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freehe
freehe
12/25/2017 10:47:26 AM
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Cloud
Moving to the cloud allows companies to scale faster and more efficiently.  It also allows companies to purchase cloud based security solutions.

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