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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
10/25/2017 9:36:55 PM
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Re: Skeptical
Well, I suppose if I'm wrong, we can all enjoy "A Much Better View of the Moon." But I am hoping that song will not be the prognosis for the future, and it's good to hear that others hope so too!

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
10/25/2017 8:07:28 PM
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Re: Skeptical
@John.B:

Good insightful comment.

Agree with you on the fact that there surely will be something that we can find to do at any time and all times, no matter how chnaging times are.

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DHagar
DHagar
10/5/2017 11:34:00 PM
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@afwriter, great example!  That's automation of automation!  I had a similar experience where I was given automated choices and while I was trying to decide which choice to select, it presented a false message stating I had selected the wrong option.  I had not even touched anything or made a selection and found myself arguing with the machine!

That is not a boon to employees or customers!

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afwriter
afwriter
10/5/2017 11:23:14 PM
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Re: Skeptical
Right? I have had a run of automated calls in the past week where I wasn't even given an option for what I was calling about. 

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DHagar
DHagar
10/2/2017 7:25:46 PM
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Re: Skeptical
@ms.akkineni, and we all know what that produces!  Examples:  Automated phone systems that never deliver value, unnecessary information and poor choices in taking orders, etc.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/30/2017 6:03:49 PM
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Re: Skeptical
"The realm of freedom actually begins only where labour which is determined by necessity and mundane considerations ceases" -- Karl Marx.


The reason I don't think we'll end up as frogs, or slaves to the machines, is because frankly there's so much interesting stuff to do and know in the world, and although we certainly have people with low-brow and uninformed tastes, and many cultures urging people to "not get above themselves", the simple need to find a better game, or a song you don't get tired of so quickly, is going to pull people out of their torpor, eventually. It might take a while.  The guy who spent twenty years mopping floors and is told "A robot will do that now. Go home to your comfortable place, there will always be food, and amuse yourself," may spend the rest of his life looking for naked celebrities, or cute cats, or naked cats, on the internet ... but his bored children will find their way to poetry, or music, or history, or architecture or flash mobs or maybe to sheep art because there will be "world enough and time."


 

"Just have to get these two stupid servers to talk to each others and pass files correctly, first" -- Every technician, everywhere.

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Michelle
Michelle
9/30/2017 5:52:28 PM
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Re: Skeptical
We're almost there! Just a little bit more to go.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/30/2017 5:47:52 PM
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I tend to think of it as fear of the "little blue frog future", referring to William Barton's When Heaven Fell (for my money one of the ten or so best science fiction novels of all time, but much too scary to ever be popular).  The backstory of its alien-ruled, no hope of humans ever being independent again future is that sometime billions of years ago, a hive/colony species that look like little blue frogs and might have originally lived like prairie dogs or ants, developed an instinct for making and improving tools. Not consciousness, just using a stick or a rock and improving the stick.  After billions of years, they managed to improve their tools into robots and computers -- which of course had only one supreme purpose in the universe: to make it a perfectly safe and happy place for little blue frogs.  And the robots and computers WERE conscious, and single-minded because of their origin ... and since they were first on the field, they conquered the galaxy.  The only hope of humanity is to prove we are worthy servants to the frogs ....

The real fear is not that we might someday meet and be conquered by the frog-ruled robots. It's that we might eventually be the frogs.

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afwriter
afwriter
9/30/2017 5:35:27 PM
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I often think of that movie when I think about this stuff. Just a bunch of humans mindlessly attached to screens not even having to get up to do the most menial task. 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
9/30/2017 5:04:40 PM
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@Michelle:

I too had similar feeling. Thanks for sharing about 'Wall-E', haven't seen it. But will male an attempt now.

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