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Ariella
9/6/2017 1:50:24 PM
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unemployment
2.4% is an excellent number to show for unemployment. Perhaps thats because much of the movement comes from people with jobs switching directly into other jobs without pausing long enough to be classified as unemployed.
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That's a good point. I had to resist putting some sort of Trump joke in there.
clrmoney
9/6/2017 2:48:13 PM
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More Hiring for Positions
I'm in IT/Information Technology because I like and I'm familiar with computers in a way. I'm glad to see them adding more jobs because things are becoming more advanced but with many wins there are losses but not compared to the success they've had.
mhhf1ve
9/6/2017 5:00:13 PM
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Re: More Hiring for Positions
I'm always curious about "skills shortages" -- and if anyone ever delves deeper into these shortages to see if there are actual shortages. I've anecdotally heard that some positions ask for impossible qualifications -- like over 10 years experience doing some tech that hasn't even existed that long....
afwriter
9/8/2017 12:08:03 AM
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@mhhf1ve, Isn't that the joke? There are many variations floating around the internet, but they all basically say that you need to be fresh out of college with at least 10 years of experience.
mhhf1ve
9/8/2017 12:08:16 PM
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It's funny cuz it's true... if every joke has a kernel of truth then I'm sure the skills shortage is actually a shortage of knowing what is really required to perform a job. So recruiters toss everything and the kitchen sink into the job requirements to see if they can find someone who qualifies. Then if no one shows up, then the requirements can be whittled down until someone matches.
dcawrey
9/11/2017 12:22:49 PM
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Re: More Hiring for Positions
Cloud is providing jobs, and that's a good thing.
Other sectors aren't doing so well. But in many parts of the US, unemployment is really low. Maybe cloud is a big part of that?
Michelle
9/11/2017 3:08:21 PM
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I think you may be right. Not knowing what they need can easily end up as "skills shortage" because they can't find people with impossible qualifications.
mhhf1ve
9/11/2017 3:23:47 PM
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Re: More Hiring for Positions
Also, perhaps employers are trying to get one person to do the job of three people in a way. Instead of hiring two people who each specialize in one task-- hire one person who knows both tasks (which could be a rare find). A person doing multiple tasks can't necessarily ask for double the salary, and an employer will surely save on furnishing benefits to one employee instead of two or more.
Michelle
9/11/2017 3:26:30 PM
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That is a likely motivation. I see it in the workplace. The job of 3 or 4 people is often given to one or two. It's not working. Morale is quite low for folks performing the job of mulitple people like this...
Ariella
9/11/2017 4:45:28 PM
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Re: More Hiring for Positions
@Michelle Yes, it's a real problem when employees are constantly told to make do with less. There's a certain point at which it becomes impossible to keep up. Also there are no rewards (beyond the temporary assurance of keeping the job) for increasing productivity to that extent.
mhhf1ve
9/11/2017 7:25:16 PM
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> "Also there are no rewards (beyond the temporary assurance of keeping the job) for increasing productivity to that extent."
Well, no rewards for the employees -- but I'm sure there are bonuses for upper management for keeping overhead low.... :P
Ariella
9/11/2017 7:35:04 PM
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@mhhf1ve that puts me in the mind of the MTA that always seems to raise rates on the grounds of a shortfall only to find a surplus when bonus time comes up.
mhhf1ve
9/11/2017 9:24:57 PM
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There always seems to be an information imbalance between management and unions when it comes to projections of how a business is doing. Maybe capitalism need to come up with better ways to organize businesses and management structures....
batye
9/12/2017 2:45:53 PM
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@Ariella yes, I see your point, but rates does going up... I see the same trend...
elizabethv
9/12/2017 2:07:48 AM
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@Ariella - It drives me up a WALL that literally every single job I have had since I was a teenager at some point has cut back labor, and demanded everyone work harder - with zero incentive to do so other than keeping your job. My fast food jobs did this, my corporate jobs did this, even my teaching jobs have done this. Though I do admit it was the worst in the fast food jobs. Because customers don't know or care that your boss decided to cut the schedule down and leave you short handed to increase their profit. Forcing you to work twice as hard - and if you fail you don't just have your boss to answer to, a lot of customers will give you a piece of their mind too. There is not nearly enough credit given to anyone working fast food.
Ariella
9/12/2017 4:03:30 PM
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@elizabethv It also happens in education. Class sizes grow to be able to accommodate more students without having to hire more teachers. And the quality of education inevitably suffers as it is not possible to maintain the same level of student attention in a class of 25 as it is in a class of 18.
elizabethv
9/19/2017 9:27:38 AM
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@Ariella - You're right and I never even thought of it that way. I am homeschooling my son, who is in Kindergarten this year. I was lamenting to a friend of mine that I feel like maybe I'm taking an experience away from him. Her response was that I am giving him the experience of getting more time with me. While also giving him one-on-one attention, while her son, who is also in Kindergarten - is in a class of 21.
Ariella
9/19/2017 9:36:07 AM
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@elizabethv that level of attention can makes all the difference between kids picking up reading skills or not.
mpouraryan
9/19/2017 12:20:10 PM
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@elizabethv : Such moments are to be savoured--but the good news is that you can, with the right planning process (and with the evolution we're witness to in Technoology) give your child the best that there is--so don't despair--I always kept the option of home schooling open for my child.
Michelle
9/12/2017 7:59:17 PM
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I think many fail to notice diminishing returns when adding the tasks of multiple positions to a single person. The person may be able to do the extra tasks, but perhaps not well enough because they don't have the time.
dlr5288
9/28/2017 5:17:40 PM
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True! And when a person is given so many responsibilities in a certain amount of time, most of the time it won't be done the best.
mhhf1ve
9/11/2017 7:31:14 PM
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> "The job of 3 or 4 people is often given to one or two. It's not working...."
Yes, it's a disturbing trend, but short of enacting laws like France to limit the working hours in a week, I don't think there's really a way to prevent it or stop it?
Michelle
9/12/2017 8:01:32 PM
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True. I don't think a new employment law would be the right answer anyway. I think employers really need to learn how employees actually work. Piling extra tasks can make sense up to a point (when there is overlap) but it's not a longterm solution.
dcawrey
9/13/2017 6:41:58 PM
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Proper training inside companies is going to be really important. The problem is that those skills often get transferred somewhere else, as people change jobs so often these days. That might be why companies aren't spending more on training.
Michelle
9/16/2017 11:23:04 AM
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You make an excellent point about skills transfer. There are many moving parts to a successful organization...I can see how some employers might want to avoid spending a lot on training.
mpouraryan
9/19/2017 12:21:35 PM
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If only organizations understood this--it seems as if in the quest for automation (what we've deliberated here) the most crucial element seems to have been overlooked on a constant and consistent basis.
batye
9/12/2017 2:46:43 PM
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@Michelle yes, you are right I see the same trend everywhere... sad reality...
elizabethv
9/12/2017 2:03:20 AM
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I have to think you're on the right track with this line of thinking. I've heard since the internet has really come into play for job applications hiring managers are inundated with people applying and that some will cut out resumes for ridiculous reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with your skill and everything to do with their complete inability to actually look at every resume that comes in. Making impossible qualifications with a few key words can easily help lower the number of resumes to review. If you insist that they have experience in what is generally two different positions, you're going to throw a bunch of resumes out from the start if they don't have both sets of key words in their resumes. Then suddenly you have a far more manageable section of resumes to sort through.
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