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Ariella
8/7/2017 5:53:18 PM
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Re: More AI
@mmhf1ve that's an interesting question. Though the researchers didn't seem to draw the connection, I was wondering if it can be applied in some way to helping people on the autistic spectrum recognize sarcasm and so respond appropriately -- even if it's not something they understand on their own.
mhhf1ve
8/7/2017 5:37:22 PM
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Heh. I'm not so sure AI can really understand sarcasm -- even if it can correctly detect in 99.9+% of the time?
Recognition is not the same as understanding..?
mhhf1ve
8/7/2017 3:33:25 AM
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Re: More hype before an AI Winter 2.0?
> "Gary Kasparov confirms that machines will remain constrained."
I don't think anyone argues that machines are currently constrained, but will they always be? Chess-playing DeepBlue software was a milestone. AlphaGo is another milestone. Someday there may be software that actually beats a Turing test? (A few have gotten close to fooling people...)
AI experts don't even have a clear answer, and there are "strong AI" and "weak AI" proponents in the field. I'm sure that whatever the future of AI holds, machines will be "different" from us. We've only scratched the surface of intelligence ourselves, and we may find out more about different kinds of intelligence shortly.
mhhf1ve
8/7/2017 3:27:41 AM
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Re: More hype before an AI Winter 2.0?
> "machines cannot possibly outsmart humans but they can do better once the solutions are known. As Gary Kasparov puts it."
I'm not convinced Kasparov is any kind of expert on AI. He's good at chess. He was beaten by a computer program at chess. That doesn't necessarily make him any kind of predictive expert on the future of AI or its abilities.
I'm not even sure Kasparov gets what he was even saying. It was *not* known how to "solve" chess at the time Deep Blue beat him. There were lots of uncertainties. And AI has progressed even further -- and with *more* uncertainties. No one actually understands how AlphaGo developed its tactics for becoming better at Go than humans! The solution is a black box at the moment. I'm sure plenty of people are now analyzing AlphaGo's moves, but the "source code" won't necessarily even reveal how AlphaGo accomplished its feat. AlphaGo trained on playing millions of simulated games and also played with real humans anonymously online to develop it strategies that no other human had come up with before.
With that kind of ability.. I'd wager that AI is going to develop methods to do things that "outsmart humans" even if humans don't know the solutions.
Re: More hype before an AI Winter 2.0?
AI is obviously more than a bit different from Excel sheets but we are still talking about machines. The key question is what is it that each of them can do and not do. This will help to answer the question whether they will play complementary roles or would replace them. More likely machines will replace humans.
"in the game of chess, there's a certain position and I have to make my choice. My decision will be based on, very roughly, 1% of calculation — probably even less — and 99% or more of understanding, of looking at patterns, drawing information from my previous experience.
Now the machine will be exactly the opposite. It will be 99% calculation and some percent of understanding, though this understanding is growing."
http://www.businessinsider.com/garry-kasparov-interview-2017-5
Re: More hype before an AI Winter 2.0?
mhhf1ve Not sure what is the point you are making. But to reiterate, machines cannot possibly outsmart humans but they can do better once the solutions are known. As Gary Kasparov puts it.
"I reached a conclusion that anything that we know how we do, machines will do better. Now, the key element of this phrase is, "We know how we do it." Because we do many things without knowing exactly how we do them. So this is the area where machines are vulnerable, because it still has to learn from some kind of experience. It needs something — at least the rules of the game. You have to bring in something that will help the machine to start learning. It's like square one. If there's nothing there, if you can't explain it, that's a problem."
http://www.telcotransformation.com/author.asp?section_id=569&doc_id=734170&
Re: More hype before an AI Winter 2.0?
mhhf1ve: I guess the best way to find out about the capabilities of machines versus humans playing games is to ask someone who has already played with them. Gary Kasparov confirms that machines will remain constrained.
"It's interesting that the greatest minds of computer science, the founding fathers, like Alan Turing and Claude Shannon and Norbert Wiener, they all looked at chess as the ultimate test. So they thought, "Oh, if a machine can play chess, and beat strong players, set aside a world champion, that would be the sign of a dawn of the AI era." With all due respect, they were wrong. It's an important step forward, but we're still, still far away, and that's why I think it's the best lesson from this match and from the game of chess is that we could see much clearer how humans and machines can cooperate because that's the way to move forward. And I'm always saying that it's for us to find new challenges."
http://www.businessinsider.com/garry-kasparov-interview-2017-5
Michelle
8/6/2017 3:09:20 PM
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@Ariella I'm sure it did perfectly well ;)
Michelle
8/6/2017 3:08:21 PM
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@afwriter That's too funny! Thanks for the additional info. The shorthand is really weird. It's neat that they actually completed some trades...
Ariella
8/6/2017 9:47:21 AM
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@afwriter I don't recall that, though I did see this about training an algorithm to understand sarcasm: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/608387/an-algorithm-trained-on-emoji-knows-when-youre-being-sarcastic-on-twitter/?utm_source=MIT+Technology+Review&utm_campaign=fc64387df5-The_Download&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_997ed6f472-fc64387df5-153921293
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