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Ariella
Ariella
6/12/2017 8:26:53 AM
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Re: AT&T has GE and FirstNet for smart cities
@mhhf1ve Being caught speeding is one of the concerns some people had for E-Z Pass that works by picking up your distance between two points -- as it would on the NJ Turnpike. I believe that drivers have been assured that it would not be used for that purpose, though the data would clearly be there. Also people who have tracking devices put in for their auto insurance are concerned that it would pick up on their routes when it is only intended to pick up on their acceleration, stop rates, etc. 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
6/12/2017 9:35:14 AM
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Re: AT&T has GE and FirstNet for smart cities
@Ariella: Security is an issue, too, however.

Ashley Madison, for instance, assured its users that their information would only be used for blah-blah-blah...but then the company suffered an enormous data-security breach.

So even if we 100% trust those who are collecting, aggregating, and using our data in their intentions, that doesn't translate to data security -- or, for that matter, the availability of that data after a breach.

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Ariella
Ariella
6/12/2017 9:55:44 AM
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Re: AT&T has GE and FirstNet for smart cities
@Joe true, nothing is completely secure. But most of us are not ready to go off the virtual grid and wear tinfoil hats for the rest of our lives.

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
6/12/2017 10:01:59 AM
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Re: AT&T has GE and FirstNet for smart cities
@Ariella: I'm not so convinced privacy fears fall into "tinfoil hat"/"The CIA is controlling my brain" territory. In an age where our televisions are actually spying on us (in some cases via hackers in some cases intentionally), we have quite literally begun to venture into 1984 territory.

Regardless, I think a healthy balance is strikeable between privacy concerns and living one's life. (I've managed to live life thus far without EZ-Pass, for instance, and I'm still doing fine.) I think our European counterparts, as hypersensitive as they may seem to be sometimes about privacy, have a better cultural memory about this kind of thing than most Americans do.

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Ariella
Ariella
6/12/2017 10:40:02 AM
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Re: AT&T has GE and FirstNet for smart cities
@Joe About E-Z Pass, we've had it for many years even though we rarely use it now. The primary motivation for people in the NY area is not the small discount you get for using it but the amount of time you can save on the lines for the manned toll booths. Does it link your car with when are where you were if you used it? Sure, as they are designed to not be tranferable, they do a check on the license plate whenever the tag is read for payment. Does that bother me? Not really.  I don't know if I would opt to have my TV watch me, and I do find some of the smart home systems just a tad creepy. Perhaps that's because a lot of more life is in my house than in the car. 

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Joe Stanganelli
Joe Stanganelli
6/12/2017 11:04:05 AM
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Re: AT&T has GE and FirstNet for smart cities
@Ariella: That was the same primary motivation in MA until relatively recently. Now, EZ-Pass lanes are the *only* lanes on all toll roads in the Commonwealth.

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mhhf1ve
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6/12/2017 1:23:55 PM
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Re: AT&T has GE and FirstNet for smart cities
California, I think, has done away with the requirement to have a physical device in your car to charge you at toll booths -- they just take a picture of your license plate, and if you're in the system, the amount gets deducted from your account. 

I'm not sure why assurances have been made to prevent the govt from issuing speeding tickets based on toll booth information. Either it's an admission that speed limits are meaningless for actual safety, or they want to keep police officers occupied with handing out tickets in person. 

Given that autobahn-like roads exist that have no speed limits, and accidents don't appear to be significantly higher on them, it seems like speed limits are just a way to suggest that people drive safely. 

If cameras existed everywhere, police officers wouldn't need to "chase" anyone down -- they'd just get them at the next exit or wherever the nearest police office ahead of the criminal was....

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Ariella
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6/12/2017 1:27:18 PM
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<Now, EZ-Pass lanes are the *only* lanes on all toll roads in the Commonwealth.> @Joe then what options exist for people who are visiting the area and don't have E-Z Pass?
 


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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/12/2017 1:32:36 PM
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Re: AT&T has GE and FirstNet for smart cities
> "our European counterparts, as hypersensitive as they may seem to be sometimes about privacy, have a better cultural memory about this kind of thing than most Americans do."

Agreed. I think Americans haven't learned enough history to remember how privacy can be abused by the government (or any authority). Or perhaps we've even learned the wrong lessons from our own history, seeing that some leaders in our country think that Japanese internment camps during WWII aren't a horrible embarrassment to America. 

Japanese Americans were found using Census Data taken by the government, and then that information was used to round up everyone of Japanese descent. There are no assurances that government data of a similar kind might be used again in that way, but it doesn't seem to bother *some* Americans in the majority because these abuses only affect minorities. 

Perhaps when the demographics of the US changes... but that's why there's some support for a Border Wall to try to prevent demographics from changing too much. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/12/2017 1:38:10 PM
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Smart cities need to be fair cities as well..
Ultimately, Smart cities need to not just collect a lot of data, but also use it wisely and fairly -- so that privacy and freedom aren't infringed upon. It's easy to promote the use of data for various conveniences or efficiency gains, but it's harder to put the toothpaste back in the tube if the data gets out and has unintended consequences. 

It's difficult to anticipate the unintended consequences, but that means there should be some thought put in ahead of time for how to deal with breaches or abuses....

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