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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/9/2017 11:17:42 AM
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Re: What about Satire?
Ha. Well, it used to be a sign of sophistication and education to quote an author or elder statesman-- but now it's just a joke. I can't numerate the times I've seen fake Abraham Lincoln quotes posted as viral memes.

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Ariella
Ariella
2/9/2017 11:12:47 AM
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Re: What about Satire?
@mhhf1ve I suppose that's one way of looking at it: yellow journalism take to the net. The only thing is that a lot more people become unwitting accomplices to its spread by sharing the links and/or misleading and imcomplete quotes in these articles on social media. Just yesterday, I responded to one of those tweets that purported to give  a quote from DeVos. It was a quote from her, but it skipped a whole sentence with no indication of the omission.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/9/2017 11:09:23 AM
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Re: What about Satire?
Check out The Attention Merchants if you have the chance. https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/03/books/review-attention-merchants-tim-wu.html

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/9/2017 11:06:18 AM
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Re: What about Satire?
This isn't the first time in history when fake news has hit the mainstream media... there's a recent book out by Tim Wu (the guy who coined the term Net Neutrality) that goes over some of the history of fake news origins -- dating back to the mid-1800s or so, iirc. Tabloids found that fake news was highly profitable-- and I think we're seeing the 2.0 wave of fake news hit.

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Ariella
Ariella
2/9/2017 10:43:47 AM
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Re: What about Satire?
@mhhf1ve We've really come to the point at which truth can be more absurd than fiction and where truly absurd fictions are accepted as truth. It helps to feed the mininformation to those who are already inclined to think a certain way. They won't question it if it fits their expectations.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/9/2017 10:40:44 AM
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Re: What about Satire?
> "... one of its articles as proof of something or other a year or two ago."

It's not just The Onion's headlines that are predicting the future, though.. Maybe you saw The Boston Globe published a fake front page last year:

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/04/10/473709316/boston-globe-runs-fake-front-page-detailing-a-donald-trump-world

Those headlines were particularly prescient when the "travel ban" hit the news.... 

I've also seen this viral meme going around:

Overheard in the Newsroom: Features editor: "I kind of feel sorry for the folks at The Onion. The bar for being more ridiculous than the real news has been impossibly high of late."

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Ariella
Ariella
2/6/2017 10:05:55 AM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
<But we've now reached the point where that reduction happens so fast that there's virtually no period during which the term is useful for attacking lies.>

@johnbarnes indeed.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
2/6/2017 10:02:40 AM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
Ariella,

I think you've  identified  one of the effects of rapid duplication-and-dissemination technology: not just lies themselves, but techniques of lying and counter-moves against debunking, now spread very rapidly.

The first stories about fake news were about people outside either normal or alternative media, like Cameron Harris, who flat-out made stuff up and put it out as news.

Within a few news cycles, the wingers were using it to refer to anything they didn't like, so that Donald Trump was able to get away with calling CNN "fake news". Linguistic drift happens all the time -- it's one way language grows and changes -- and one of the things that does happen is that some terms become so broad, so much just a substitute for "me like" or "me no like" that they come out of the process meaningless. But we've now reached the point where that reduction happens so fast that there's virtually no period during which the term is useful for attacking lies.

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batye
batye
2/5/2017 7:54:33 PM
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Re: I really don't see a solution
@dcawrey  good point as in the past news could make or brake Co. and create a movments on the stock exchange... but now it like game where is free for all 

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batye
batye
2/5/2017 7:52:50 PM
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Re: I really don't see a solution
@Ariella  the sad reality, we no longer getting correct information, we getting sponsored opinions... where information get twisted... - how I see it...

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