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batye
batye
2/5/2017 7:47:37 PM
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Re: What about Satire?
@Ariella interesting to know... I read few weeks ago about Putin Propaganda machine hiring english speaking people to post on facebook and twitter and other social media... it getting scary in my books as you no longer trust anyone...

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Ariella
Ariella
2/4/2017 6:55:54 PM
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Re: I really don't see a solution
@JohnBarnes No innter optimist for you, I take it! I do fact-check a lot on just about everything. I also make it a point to read about certain events in media in different media outlets just to see what each onel highlights and how they headlines the same event differently, according to the preferred narrrative of its political affiliation.

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Ariella
Ariella
2/4/2017 6:52:51 PM
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Re: What about Satire?
@mhhf1ve I recall someone publicly pointed to one of its articles as proof of something or other a year or two ago.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
2/4/2017 12:49:17 PM
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Re: What about Satire?
mhhf1ve,

Exactly. The mechanisms of privileging (in the semiotic sense -- privileging is the metasign that tells you how important/trustworthy a sign is, like the light and siren is the privileging on a moving ambulance) has been decaying for decades. Once upon a time anybody who paid attention could tell the difference between a hardcover book put out by a major commercial publisher, a small specialty publisher, an academic press, or the "all other" that included the Jehovah's Witnesses, Communist Party, and Vantage Press (biggest of the old vanity presses). Nowadays significant works come out online-only and many major commercial presses have vanity lines (where the author pays to have the spelling corrected and nobody checks content). 

This has happened before; there was a period when people believed whatever they saw in movies or heard on radio, and when television news and later computer printouts were infallible. Nowadays you will discover many students in high school and college who don't see why they can't just write "I got it from Google" instead of a bibliography. Eventually, because privileging is valuable and there's a market for it, people will find ways to generate and pay for it.

Right after truth gets those gosh-darn boots on.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
2/4/2017 12:42:19 PM
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Re: I really don't see a solution
Speaking as a techonological optimist (i.e. tech improves faster than people) the real problem is that the newer ways of lying are much more advanced. Not only does a lie get around the world while truth is putting its boots on, but next year the lie will have a faster plane and truth will still not have gone from lace-up to velcro.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
2/4/2017 12:23:59 PM
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Re: I really don't see a solution
DCawrey,

At the risk of being one of those dreadful people who fact checks ... what makes you think/serves as evidence that/might tend to confirm that we've hit bottom?

I think we've only begun to plummet.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
2/3/2017 10:16:28 PM
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Re: I really don't see a solution
Fake news is a huge problem, something I think journalists could see coming a mile away. Those who were trained for the job of reporting have lost jobs, replaced by something cheaper. 

Well, now it seems we have hit the bottom. Hopefully outlets like the New York Times is helped by this, because we're all still going to need news. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/3/2017 3:02:51 PM
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What about Satire?
Given how many times I've seen The Onion headlines re-shared by people who didn't understand the satire... I'm not so sure about how any algorithms are going to fix fake news.

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afwriter
afwriter
2/2/2017 11:40:42 PM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
This is what I keep saying. Fake news is not anything new, one of Mark Twains most famous quotes is, "The rumors of my death are greatly exaggerated." The problem isn't just that it is more widespread its that people refuse to vet the information.

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batye
batye
2/2/2017 1:04:46 PM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
@Ariella interesting to know thanks for the links and info, make me think it seem not everything as we commonly know :) - how I see it...

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