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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
2/28/2017 6:24:33 PM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
@JB:

Very much in agreement with you. As always nice details. I like the example you quoted.

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dlr5288
dlr5288
2/28/2017 4:08:47 PM
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Re: What about Satire?
For some reason I've always had problems with citing sources. I either wasn't sure how to cite the exact source or how much is too much.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
2/26/2017 11:02:03 PM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
This does of course lead to follow-on fake news: "In a rare joint statement today, the White House Otolaryngologist, White House Gastroenterologist, and Office of Monkey Confirmation affirmed that ..."

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
2/26/2017 11:00:07 PM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
ariella, ms.akkineni,

Still and all, I can't overcome the feeling that "fake news" should be reserved to mean "stories that are entirely fabricated" (even if they contain some things that are true).  E.g. "At a recent White House press conference, the press secretary declared that, 'Hydrogen is the lightest element, seven is a prime number, and monkeys are flying out of all my orifices.'" would count as fake news (despite 7 and hydrogen), unless the WHPS actually said those words AND documentable identifable monkeys were actually flying from those places. Anything that is merely a spin the speaker doesn't like but contains verifiable facts is not fake news at all.

Blurring the distinction is being passionately pursued by the people known to have benefited most from fake news. Wonder why?

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
2/26/2017 8:51:19 PM
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Re: Personal Responsibilty
@Ariella:

Can't agree more with you.

Very well explained analogy between speculation and fabrication.

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/9/2017 3:01:41 PM
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Re: What about Satire?
> "If anything people tend to err in ellipses use by putting them at the beginning and end..."

Ha! Uh, I guess I've been erring on the side of too many ellipses all this time. :P

And disregarding the use of [sic] completely.... 

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Ariella
Ariella
2/9/2017 2:37:31 PM
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Re: What about Satire?
@mhhf1ve I taught comp for years and *the research paper* was what largely defined the curriculum for the second level course. How to quote correctly was one part that shouldn't be all that difficult to grasp. If anything people tend to err in ellipses use by putting htem at the beginning and end where they are not needed. But to skip a whole sentence and just go on as if you have the quote intact is so obvious that the person doing it really can't claim that's just a technical detail like placing a period before or after the citation. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
2/9/2017 2:25:22 PM
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Re: What about Satire?
> "What are composition teachers teaching these days..."

Well, I think teachers may have their hands full teaching a lot of other things that may be more basic than how to quote correctly. It's sad, but true.

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Ariella
Ariella
2/9/2017 11:41:07 AM
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Re: What about Satire?
@mhhf1ve including the one that attributes the quote not to believe everything you read on the internet to the 16th president. Actually, you'd be surprised at the number of quotes that have become associated with certain famous people that have never been fully verified. Sometimes when I want to use a famous quote, I look it up on QuoteInvestigator and find that the connection to the person is somewhat dubious. 

However, that kind of mistake due to the fact that very few people take the time to check out famous historical quotes is different in my view than deliberately cutting out part of a quote without ellipses. What are composition teachers teaching these days if people can emerge from such classes without realizing that a lack of quote integrity makes your whole position intellectually dishonest?

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Ariella
Ariella
2/9/2017 11:41:07 AM
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Re: What about Satire?
@mhhf1ve including the one that attributes the quote not to believe everything you read on the internet to the 16th president. Actually, you'd be surprised at the number of quotes that have become associated with certain famous people that have never been fully verified. Sometimes when I want to use a famous quote, I look it up on QuoteInvestigator and find that the connection to the person is somewhat dubious. 

However, that kind of mistake due to the fact that very few people take the time to check out famous historical quotes is different in my view than deliberately cutting out part of a quote without ellipses. What are composition teachers teaching these days if people can emerge from such classes without realizing that a lack of quote integrity makes your whole position intellectually dishonest?

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