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mpouraryan
mpouraryan
1/3/2017 7:34:25 PM
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Re: Opportunity for growth
Happy 2017 @JohnBarnes et. al.

If it was up to the "Google"/"Amazon" et. al, it seems to me that they would not see a need for humans--Will humans stay relevant?  That's the ultimate question here--and I for me have profound concerns about the answer as all know by now.   

 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
1/3/2017 2:33:48 PM
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Re: Opportunity for growth
VPMarket82343, Given how many people are lax about basic health and safety behavior (and that neglect could and does make them sick, get them hurt, and now and then kills them), is there any hope we'll ever improve much with things like maintaining password security?

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
1/3/2017 2:19:09 PM
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Platinum
Re: Opportunity for growth
VPMarket82343, Interesting point. So although the difference between an attack and a traffic gain is detectable in big data, we still need humans to see the difference? Or do we just need them to train the ML algorithms? Or both?

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VPMarket82343
VPMarket82343
1/3/2017 12:30:07 PM
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Steel
Re: Opportunity for growth
@dcawrey, Agreed.  the lack of awareness from a consumer point of view is major impediment to broader internet hygiene.  If folks knew that by leaving their default passwords enabled on their internet gateways, home security systems, etc, they are enabling massive DDoS attacks that actually hurt them (however indirectlly), then they might change their habits.  Sadly, the awareness isn't there, but the pain is.

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VPMarket82343
VPMarket82343
1/3/2017 12:27:02 PM
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Steel
Re: Opportunity for growth
For volumetric attacks, it's possible to get fairly accurate detection today, by using big data to perform the baselining.  When you're using a limited amount of computing/memory/storage to do detection, you run into to major problems with intelligent baselining:

1.  Network-wide data can be too much to scan quickly.  A system that is running on a quad core CPU for example, with N GB of memory, can't do intelligent baselining on a network that is running a good volume of traffic.  A single router can easily generate thousands of traffic flow telemetry records per second, which on a daily basis can add up to billions of records.  If you have multiple routers, it becomes an overwhelming amount of data.   As a result, single server detection approaches have to segment the network data into different tables and perform baselining on a router by router basis.  Obviously, that creates alot of data gaps.

2.  Static configurations.  Network traffic patterns changes organically over time.  One of the major problems with most baselining schemes is that they don't actually adapt, so you set a list of servers for example to monitor, but what if patterns change or a new server is added, and you don't adjust your monitoring list?  Ideally, network operators/engineers adjust everything in real time to changing conditions but we know that's now how life works.  As  result, alot fo traffic that should be baselined doesn't get baselined, so you're missing the basis to judge whether new traffic is an attack or not.

Big data doesn't have those constraints.  Scale-out storage and tons of memory across tons of computing nodes mean that the system can baseline network-wide data and also has enough compute capacity to automatically adapt baselining to include nodes that exhibit higher levels of traffic for any reason.  Just these changes increase accuracy a ton.

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VPMarket82343
VPMarket82343
1/3/2017 12:14:36 PM
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Steel
Re: Opportunity for growth
Agreed.  DDoS should be considered a major part of a continuity plan if a business relies haveily on the Internet for commerce or productivity for sure--too many businesses don't approach DDoS in a proactive, planned way.

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VPMarket82343
VPMarket82343
1/3/2017 12:12:52 PM
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Steel
Re: Opportunity for growth
You're right.  It's fairly trivial to detect and automate the dropping of attack traffic headed to a particular destination IP address today, without needing any sort of appliance.  However, to  scrub attack traffic that is mixed in with legitimate traffic requires deep packet inspection and the economics of that are still favorable to ASIC-based devices.

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VPMarket82343
VPMarket82343
1/3/2017 12:12:51 PM
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Steel
Re: Opportunity for growth
You're right.  It's fairly trivial to detect and automate the dropping of attack traffic headed to a particular destination IP address today, without needing any sort of appliance.  However, to  scrub attack traffic that is mixed in with legitimate traffic requires deep packet inspection and the economics of that are still favorable to ASIC-based devices.

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VPMarket82343
VPMarket82343
1/3/2017 12:10:58 PM
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Steel
Re: Opportunity for growth
There is a major shift happenning as more DDoS protection options are available in the cloud, which means that deploying is much easier and can be done on an Opex versus solely a Capex basis.

For example, it's certainly possible now to get cloud-based detection that will, upon detecting an attack on a destiation IP address, automate a remote triggered black hole (BGP routing traffic to a "null" interface).  For residential broadband providers, that's a very feasible solution to many of the attacks they see coming through their networks, because perhaps 40% of all DDoS attacks are gamer on gamer so they're relatively easy to isolate.

Obviously, there are more sophisticated mitigation appliances and more cloud-based mitigation services that are giving businesses more options.

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srufolo1
srufolo1
12/31/2016 10:37:35 PM
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Platinum
Big Data DDoS Protection
Enterprises should be vigilant about DDoS threats. It's important that threats should be detected before they wreak havoc and if an attack does occur, there should be a plan in place on how to effectively deal with it. Not enough companies are taking necessary precautions.

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