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JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 9:50:14 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
vnewman, dcawrey,
Yes, instructions are being summoned, read, and executed. One might as well argue that all that's happening in the video I'm using to sneak a Debbie Reynolds clip in here is neurons firing in practiced sequences, and the execution of a script. At any level of mind, the lower levels are made up of something much simpler (in this case radar and camera images, realtime image processing, etc.
In the sensors, identifying a sudden change in motion perpendicular to the car's direction of travel occurring in the same place as red light was being emitted and a radar image grew brighter (from the side of the van swinging in), wider, and slower (in the direction of travel),
In the computer, assembling those into a constructed single issue (large object in direction of travel being overtaken), and selecting from a menu of possible solutions (the car could have swerved, braked and swerved, voluntarily skidded sideways if other cars were not too close behind it, etc. depending on distance, speed, pavement conditions, other lanes, etc.)
In the servos, executing the decision (linear braking) with feedbacks (keep car straight, don't brake too fast for car behind, etc.)
Or in short, it did what a human eye, brain, hands, and feet would do. True, it probably didn't say "Oh expletive, that van's gonna spin", but it spotted the brief instant of a red brake light passing into view. It did have the advantage of having a through-the-glass radar image of the van (of course a human might have trouble disentangling what it saw through the glass of the intervening car, even if s/he could see in the microwave frequencies), but then that meant it also had to process slightly more information than a human would have had to. A few hints -- heeded and verified -- caused what the article writer has dubbed "clairvoyance," but any reasonably trained rally car driver would have noticed a brake light where one had no business being, tried to see ahead, probably seen lateral motion either over the top of the middle car or through its windows, and then handled it in very much the same way (probably almost as fast, too).
And what is an instant deduction that a situation is dangerous from a couple of brief hints besides "common sense" (including the common sense to pay attention)? And what is "dangerous, dead ahead, close, high speed, BRAKE NOW" but instinct? In fact, the car probably "considered" more courses of action in less time than an excellent driver would need to "react instinctively," so if it wasn't instinct, it was something better.
In what way would thinking "Oh expletive, that van's gonna spin", have improved the result? Athletes, dancers, etc. don't generally think in words (and if they do it gets in the way; my college judo coach used to say "You will never know the name of anything you do in the moment you do it" and he was right).
You can always dismiss a successful performance as "just what it was programmed to do," just as you can define all of human behavior as "The Big Twitch and the Little Twitch and the Holy Ghost Who Is Probably A Twitch Himself" but what you see in that video is indistinguishable from mind.
Which allows me to finish with a pun about that being a Turing car.
freehe
12/29/2016 9:49:11 PM
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It is great that companies see the need for operators to work with local vendors.
However, local vendors and suppliers will need to remain competitive and embrace open platforms, open source and IoT. If not, they will not remain successful and may go bankruptcy or get acquired by a larger company.
freehe
12/29/2016 9:47:21 PM
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Huawei has plans for IOT
Huawai is doing great work, if only all the companies has the same insight.
It is great that Huawai is developing standards for IoT is opening channels for communication between telecom carriers and other verticals to enable them to jointly cultivate a robust new ecosystem for it.
freehe
12/29/2016 9:37:19 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@Ariella, thanks for sharing about Nigel. I agree with your point.
freehe
12/29/2016 9:35:25 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@JohnBarnes, I totally agree. You are on point John Barnes.
freehe
12/29/2016 9:33:57 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
@JohnBarnes, I am so glad you said that. I feel the exact same way.
Instead of destroying jobs some of the employees can be educated and retrained to perform new jobs but sadly this is just my hope.
JohnBarnes
12/29/2016 9:22:40 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
vnewman,
I have interviewed and worked with math people -- very different from coders -- who are working on exactly the mathematical processes of "common sense" and "instinct." The "but human brains are special" people have about one more generation during which they'll retreat by constantly redefining "common sense" and "instinct" to mean "whatever a machine isn't doing right now." Eventually even that retreat will close off.
We accept easily that a bunch of electrochemical processes running in what Vonnegut described as a "dog's breakfast" in our skulls can produce quite astonishing results; we accept less easily that these processes can be understood, though the process of understanding them reaches back into history; we accept with difficulty that eventually we will be able to identify and use those processes with machine help, though we wouldn't be able to do so without help; and we viscerally resist the idea that once those processes are fully understood, we can dismiss the dog and his breakfast, if we've a mind to.
Nonetheless. that is what is.
dcawrey
12/29/2016 7:10:42 PM
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Re: Huawei has plans for IOT
I agree. In these circumstances, the car is not thinking at all. It is simply going through a set of instructions that has been provided. AI is just a way to insert those instructions - at least for the time being, at least until these systems become self-aware.
vnewman
12/29/2016 6:00:39 PM
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@mpouraryan - I know what you're saying, but I do think there's a difference still between "thinking" and what we are seeing here with autonomous driving. You could just as easily argue the car was responding to stimuli using a programmed set of instructions, which is not "thinking" in the true sense of the word. But I hear you, it will be a wild ride.
vnewman
12/29/2016 5:14:52 PM
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@JohnBarnes - I'm not saying I hope to see jobs taken from the very people who need them to survive. What I am hoping is that in this process of "job replacement" we will see the rise of jobs we never even thought about - hopefully jobs that don't require someone to do a repetitive task over and over again. What I hope to see, is something better on the horizon.
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