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freehe
freehe
9/25/2016 6:16:58 PM
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Re: Never felt more behind the curve...
@JohnBarnes, great insight. Thanks for your input.

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elizabethv
elizabethv
9/25/2016 1:32:34 AM
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Re: Never felt more behind the curve...
Lol @ JohnBarnes - I suppose in most cases you're probably right. Credit Cards are the way they want us to pay for all of those throw-away electronics everyone "has to have." Meanwhile, my family has an old 15 inch TV/VCR hooked up in our playroom with a myriad of VHS tapes available for my kids to watch at their choosing. Ha ha, I'm getting the next generation to watch VHS. Lol. Fight the power! (I will in fact be very sad when that TV dies. My friend, who loves VHS, says the only makers of VHS players anymore are going to stop.) C'est la vie.

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Adi
Adi
9/13/2016 5:20:13 AM
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Re: Observations
@dcawrey - yes, I think that's ususally the challenge with new services. The device and network may be able to handle them (though I'm not sure that's true in the case of 4K yet), but the lack of content becomes a bottleneck. So you have to start building libraries well n advance since so much TV content is second run. 

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dcawrey
dcawrey
9/12/2016 5:13:28 PM
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Re: Observations
Movies, live events and special shows. That's where 4K is going to do well as a content platform in the home. Sounds to me like AT&T has already got this figured out - it's just making sure enough 4K is in the production pipeline. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
9/10/2016 8:27:06 PM
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Re: Never felt more behind the curve...
JohnBarnes: Fortunately, there are still some organizations like iFixit around to help people try to repair things in the modern age. Unfortunately, we also have the DMCA that hampers tinkerers from legally trying to do their hacking hobbies.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/10/2016 2:09:25 PM
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Re: Never felt more behind the curve...
mhhf1ve,

I figure that's just part of the overall modern capitalist message that we are supposed to buy things, not exercise control or autonomy over them.All the tinkering hobbies -- hot rods, sound systems, home computers -- eventually become disposable it-works-or-it-doesn't because that fits a more predictable, consistent model of economic behavior and it makes sure people aren't getting satisfaction outside the market.  All part of getting us into the box for good.  No worries. 'Nighty-night!

 

"People are going to have to make themselves predictable, or the machines will get angry and kill them."  -- Gregory Bateson

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
9/10/2016 11:45:22 AM
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Re: Never felt more behind the curve...
The inevitable rise of 4K TVs isn't a problem for me at all.. but I'm slightly disappointed in the state of disposable electronics these days. I remember the days when people would try to fix things like CRT TVs because they were a huge furniture-like component in the living room. Now flat screen TVs just hang on a wall and if something on it breaks, no one can fix it, so you just have to buy a new one or get it replaced under warranty. 

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/9/2016 7:53:13 AM
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Re: Never felt more behind the curve...
Oh, one other thought on how they are affording all of that:

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/credit-card-data/average-credit-card-debt-household/

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/9/2016 7:51:20 AM
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Re: Observations
afwriter,

I suspect that 4K will come in through a variety of niches first -- cinemaphiles, photography buffs, some sports, recorded performances of live theatre, maybe some craft shows (it's hard to see exactly how much someone sands with fine grit paper even in regular HD), but every niche user will then propagate the 4K resolution into other things watched in the household. Eventually, as with older CRT tv's, other things will look subtly cheap and wrong.

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JohnBarnes
JohnBarnes
9/9/2016 7:42:45 AM
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Re: Never felt more behind the curve...
Shout out to my fellow Luddites, Elizabeth V and mhhf1ve, on this, BUT ....

1. What begins as a "nice" feature quickly becomes obligatory; that's how color TV took over -- after a while they were barely making b&w sets. "Progress" by product mortality leads to rapid replacement; once a feature is "standard" it has already taken over, it's just going to take a few years for the news to reach us troglodytes,

2. There's a large volume of turnover generated by households splitting and combining (not just divorce and living together but also roommates and moving in and out of parental basements).  Again, once 4K is the standard, almost every turnover will bring a new 4K set into the population (or remove an old HD)

3. It looks to me like the statistic was compiled as "fraction of households with at least one 4K capable display." So it's actually counting many households that may not even be aware they have 4K -- i.e. it's something the new flatscreen in the living room could do but actually people are watching on computer screens and old bedroom/basement TVs. (Same statistical trick that says there are women in about 75% of US households and men in about 70% of US households -- you can't add them together to discover that 145% of all households are single-sex!)

 

 

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