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clrmoney
clrmoney
6/30/2016 12:25:11 PM
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china robotic machines
They will have robotic machines before the US will being they are more intellingent in some areas than us.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
6/30/2016 3:44:41 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
Completely in agreement with you. They are pretty advanced in terms if inventions in that area.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
6/30/2016 5:21:09 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
Ofcourse they will. China is certainly far more advanced in these areas.

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dcawrey
dcawrey
7/4/2016 2:06:10 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
These ideas of intelligent networks are really interesting. However, I think we're still a ways off. It would not surprise me to see one of these "smart" networks end up doing something dumb, especially in a critical situation.

Human intervention in networks is going to still be needed for some time. 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
7/4/2016 2:21:32 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
Human intervention in networks is going to still be needed for some time. 


Very good point and that's what we all must admit the key facor of human intelligence interventing with robo capabilities which then would be more promising to envision.                              

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dlr5288
dlr5288
7/31/2016 9:30:58 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
Good points!

I agree, I think that the human factor in all of this still has to remain intact. No matter how much technology is thrown around.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
7/4/2016 2:24:09 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
 It would not surprise me to see one of these "smart" networks end up doing something dumb, especially in a critical situation.


Yup, smart can only remain smart till we end up in those dumb situations as you mentioned. We got to be really careful with evolving nature of technology for sure to prevent any unwanted situations.

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batye
batye
7/5/2016 1:39:33 AM
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Re: china robotic machines
@dcawrey with Smart Networks it more like Murphy law waiting to happens - How I see it ...

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/5/2016 1:17:47 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
> "It would not surprise me to see one of these "smart" networks end up doing something dumb, especially in a critical situation."

Smart and "dumb" are going to be blurred with technology. Unfortunately, if we put too much trust in some "smart" things, there can be very serious consequences. Joshua Brown is the first fatality caused by a semi-autonomous Tesla vehicle. He wasn't paying attention while his car was driving, and it didn't try to stop at all when it collided with the trailer of a semi-truck. Brown was technically savvy to know the shortcomings of Tesla's Autopilot mode, but apparently, he trusted the software too much and paid with his life.

I'm sure there will be plenty of analogous situations with semi-autonomous network monitoring that fails to identify obvious threats....

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
8/21/2016 9:10:25 AM
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Re: china robotic machines
@mhhflve:

Thanks for sharing the story. So unfortunate to know that technology costed a life.I can not agree more that we hav eto apply our own samrtness in terms of to what extent we can blkindly trust technology. But the end of it has to be our own educated decision making on when and how to make that call. If not , no matter however smart we technologists are we are just letting that technology ruin us. Scary !

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
8/22/2016 2:55:48 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
Autonomous cars have so far only killed one person.. but it's not clear how many the same technology has saved? Elon Musk argues that Tesla's imperfect Autopilot system has saved many lives (though the exact number is not known).

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
8/22/2016 7:25:51 PM
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Re: china robotic machines
Good to know.

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afwriter
afwriter
6/30/2016 3:26:32 PM
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Rise of the Machines
Has no one ever seen Terminator?  I know that that is a little far fetched, but it really does seem like some companies are hell-bent on replacing human beings.  I also fear the Atlantis effect where we rely on technology so much that we won't survive if it ever crashes. 

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
6/30/2016 3:46:55 PM
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Re: Rise of the Machines
...where we rely on technology so much that we won't survive if it ever crashes.


So true. Especially here in US can we imagine any network outages and the ripple effects like no internet connectivity for couple of hours? The impact will be so huge and unimaginable.

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Michelle
Michelle
6/30/2016 5:11:24 PM
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Re: Rise of the Machines
@af I'm really concerned about our moves to all-digital everything (and a crash). I think we're headed in a troubling direction given the state of cybersecurity and blended attack vectors. A major sci-fi type catastrophe seems more plausable every day.

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
6/30/2016 6:30:16 PM
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Re: Rise of the Machines
I am with you @Michelle. Haven't we already started witnessing the trend, think about the recent cyber attack at Sony. The more digital, the more stakes at risk. Don't mean to sound like old school but that balance is no less challenge.

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Michelle
Michelle
6/30/2016 8:25:52 PM
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Re: Rise of the Machines
In my younger years, I was certain the future would be digital and wonderful. The digital utopia I envisioned will never exist so long as there are nefarious actors all about...

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ms.akkineni
ms.akkineni
6/30/2016 6:32:26 PM
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Analogy
Jie described the requirements of this age as "3c+d=I." The three "c" are computing, connections and conversation, and the d is for data. This equals the intelligence required for decision making. Jie equates this to the five senses used by humans to make decisions.

 Such an impressive analogy, simply love this.

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clrmoney
clrmoney
7/1/2016 10:24:26 AM
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machines
Lets see what more human machines china has to oferr when they invent something.

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batye
batye
7/2/2016 11:54:05 PM
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Re: machines
@clrmoney with China they have power technology and money to do it ....

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/2/2016 3:54:51 AM
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Augmented human intelligence..
The concerns about AI taking over jobs or being better than human employees seems to miss the opportunity that humans PLUS machines are better than either alone. The triumph of AlphaGo winning over a single human wasn't so much that now we have a program that can beat one human player at a grandmaster level.. but that we have a new way to approach the game entirely. There was one move that shocked all the human players because it was very non-human -- and it's a move that will be studied by humans to figure out HOW that move might be defended against or what the strengths/weaknesses of it is.. and that will move the whole performance of the game forward far more than just the AlphaGo program alone could.

There will undoubtedly be analogies in other areas where algorithms can teach humans what to look out for -- and humans can use AI as a tool to improve overall performance.

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batye
batye
7/2/2016 11:58:54 PM
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Re: Augmented human intelligence..
@mhhf1ve I would say it depens on the A.I. quality hardware and other factors... in my youth days I work a little bit with BrainMaker Neural Network Software... nor easy or simple A.I. software...

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Adi
Adi
7/4/2016 5:38:44 AM
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Re: Augmented human intelligence..
Yes, I think that's very much the point he was trying to make mhhf1ve - that better, more intelligent use of data from the network can improve lives. I'm not sure the tech is much of a threat at the moment, as we probably need to develop AI considerably before the technology can deliver what we ask of it, much less take over the world Terminator-style.

And Jie's goals are far more conservative today - he just wants more effective data collection and mining/analysis to drive more personalization and perhaps automation for his customers.

Personally the greater danger for me is around privacy - if there is all this information being gathered about customers, where does it go? How is it used? How is it protected? Is it even legal, or do you need customers to opt-in? Not sure waht the rules are in China, but could be an issue in UK, US, EU etc.

 

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batye
batye
7/5/2016 1:37:01 AM
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Re: Augmented human intelligence..
@Adi intewresting point, could not agree more... as what allowed in one country could be consider a crime in other...

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/5/2016 4:20:23 AM
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Re: Augmented human intelligence..
> "we probably need to develop AI considerably before the technology can deliver what we ask of it, much less take over the world Terminator-style.."

I don't think a Terminator-style AI revolution is ever going to happen... but when autonomous cars replace 90% of truck drivers, and a large number of minimum wage jobs are automated.. the economy might have some serious problems to deal with. 

When machines took over human telephone switch operators, there were plenty of other kinds of jobs for people to do. I'm not so sure what happens when robots can learn general manual labor tasks... Will there be employment opportunities for people who can't maintain robot hardware/software? :P

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Adi
Adi
7/5/2016 4:39:19 AM
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Re: Augmented human intelligence..
Would have to agree with that. Increased mechanization has always threatened jobs, and I think we will see more of it as AI, robotics and IoT-driven automation develop. It's a long term macroeconomic concern I think, as the global population surges mostly in low income/low education regions. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
7/5/2016 1:22:29 PM
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Re: Augmented human intelligence..
> "Increased mechanization has always threatened jobs..."

The question is: what's different now? Automation has so far been pretty "dumb" -- only able to perform repetitive tasks without much variation. It looks like automation will soon be able to do some low-level creative tasks that are not exactly repetitive, and that's a big difference. 

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freehe
freehe
7/31/2016 9:55:44 AM
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Human Machine Intelligence
I took an AI class in college and it was very interesting. Human Machine Intelligence is only as good as the technology and person programming it.

Telco companies in the U.S have a long way to go in terms of innovation. I think telco should focus on just getting implementing technology, standards and services that aligned with current technology, then they can focus on more advanced technologies like IoT, SDN, NFV, and Human Machine intelligence.

Interpreting historical data to determine consumers current and future needs is great which is similar to how IoT and Big Data are being used. Providing recommendations for consumers is also great. As consumers evolve the technology will evolve as well.

 

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