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Ariella
Ariella
6/16/2016 3:25:45 PM
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@mhhf1ve There is some kind of dashboard that is supposed to be accessible over the web. In truth, I haven't looked at it. It's really more for the insurance to get data on your driving habits than for your own edification. As you said, a single abrupt braking incident does not necessarily reflect one's skills, but a pattern could. That's why they prefer to get more driving data to form the a comprehensive picture. But I'm not going out of my way just to clock more miles on the sensor. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/16/2016 3:03:14 PM
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Interesting.. I've never used one of those trackers.. so.. if you do "brake abruptly" -- what happens? Do they send you a warning first? Do they remove your "discount" immediately? It seems a bit out of your control if you HAVE to brake abruptly to avoid someone else... but I suppose if it happens every time you drive, then it's probably not other drivers.

Tesla cars already have trackers built into their cars, but they're not feeding that data back to insurance companies (yet?).. So far, it looks like Tesla uses the data to help train its self-driving algorithms -- and defend itself from owners who try to blame their own carelessness on Tesla.

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Ariella
Ariella
6/16/2016 11:29:29 AM
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@mhhf1ve well, it's an interesting thing about the way it was explained to me. I was told that the discount could be as high as 30% but that it would depend on getting enough driving data in. With only a little bit of driving data uploaded due to driving very locally and not every day, I was told that the discount likely would be smaller, though I was assured it can't go up. They are most interested in patterns for abrupt braking. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/16/2016 10:39:26 AM
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For auto insurance, a small amount of data for your driving habits that confirms you don't drive much is good for your insurer! That means fewer chances to get into an accident. They'd probably love it if no one drove at all but still paid their premiums....

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Ariella
Ariella
6/16/2016 9:14:56 AM
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< security-by-obscurity. :P> @mhhf1ve indeed. I'm not altogether paranoid. When my insurance offered that I put one of those Octo telematics sensors into my car for 3 months, I agreed. I did warn them, though, that I don't drive a lot, so they won't get a substantial amount of data. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/15/2016 10:51:22 PM
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> 'But even for connected cars etc., I would like to be reassured.."

Heh. Well, that said, most "connected cars" today aren't really that connected. And I'd probably drive/own a Tesla Model 3 if given the chance. Despite all the coverage of Tesla drivers getting into trouble with semi-autonmous features, I think Tesla's over-the-air updates are probably fairly secure -- because I can't imagine Elon Mush wouldn't be paranoid about malware getting into his cars? Musk is worred about "evil" artificial intelligence, so as a nano-manager, I'd assume he'd tell his engineers to keep things as secure as they could.... 

And there just aren't that many Tesla vehicles out on the roads for bad guys to reverse engineer for an attack.. so there's at least some security-by-obscurity. :P

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Ariella
Ariella
6/15/2016 9:52:29 PM
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@mhhf1ve I'm with you on that. I'd rather not be an early adopter. I'm not even sure I'd be a later adopter of smart fridge. But even for connected cars etc., I would like to be reassured that the vulnerabilities have been addressed and resolved -- at least for the most part, as nothing is perfectly invulnerable. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/15/2016 9:24:31 PM
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RE: "..unintended actions a dishwasher can make.."

Yes, I'm highly skeptical of connected appliances right now. Maybe in the distant future when all connected devices are updated with a secure blockchain network, and there's at least some assurance that the possibility of invisible Gremlins trashing everything is negligible.

But currently, I'm not even that confident that my Windows PC isn't infected with malware.. so I'm not about to trust a refrigerator that can connect to the internet to be running up-to-date anti-virus software. Or anything with a heating element... 

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Ariella
Ariella
6/15/2016 8:57:43 PM
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<Maybe it seems silly to need a firewall for your dishwasher, but no one wants to be surprised by what unintended actions a dishwasher can make at 3am when someone on the other side of the world figures out he can make a dishwasher generate enough steam to explode.....>

@mhhf1ve or even rig it to flood your home when you'll be gone for days and return to permanently damaged floors, carpets, and furniture. 

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mhhf1ve
mhhf1ve
6/15/2016 6:45:33 PM
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> "In the rush to embrace the connected car ..., carmakers failed on due diligence.."

Automakers seem to have really dropped the ball when it comes to security, but it's not that surprising given that the auto industry is more accustomed to multi-year upgrade cycles -- not zero-day exploits.

But as more and more appliances and Things get connected, every manufacturer is going to need to have a security and upgrade/patch strategy for how to prevent malicious attacks. Maybe it seems silly to need a firewall for your dishwasher, but no one wants to be surprised by what unintended actions a dishwasher can make at 3am when someone on the other side of the world figures out he can make a dishwasher generate enough steam to explode.....

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